Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
radio up to about 50 feet away. Cheers, Graham -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: November 22, 2010 20:38 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 23/11/10 13:36, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you are going to depend on any form of over the air timing, you need holdover. It's not a option its a requirement. There are simply to many things that can create issues with the signal you are using. That's true of any over the air system, not just

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
you rarely if ever see. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 8:05 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility On 23/11/10 13:36, Bob

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 23/11/10 14:17, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Most telecom systems are still a timing monoculture. All of their sources of time are duplicates of the same thing. There are multiple categories of trouble that will affect all of their sources. Redundancy with multiple types of timing is what would make a

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread John Green
I read that Phrack article and their jammer is much more sophisticated than mine. Mine is just a sweeper. I don't even know yet the sweep rate. I was thinking more along the lines of theirs. Something that actually put out a signal that contained at least some aspects of the signal they were

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread jimlux
John Green wrote: jamming anyone's GPS. A while back, I was looking at one of those It doesn't look capable of putting out more than 50 milliwatts or so into a 2 inch antenna The GPS antenna is perhaps 35 feet away with a cinder block wall, a brick wall, and a metal roof in between. I also

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread jimlux
John Green wrote: I read that Phrack article and their jammer is much more sophisticated than mine. Mine is just a sweeper. I don't even know yet the sweep rate. I was thinking more along the lines of theirs. Something that actually put out a signal that contained at least some aspects of the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread jimlux
scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: The Phrack article's jammer attacks the offset frequencies. Phrack.org/issues.html?issue=60id=13 This article shows just how vulnerable L1 GPS is I'm not very impressed by design... That old Freescale/Motorola MC145151 PLL, and using a separate prescaler? That's

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 23/11/10 16:12, jimlux wrote: scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: The Phrack article's jammer attacks the offset frequencies. Phrack.org/issues.html?issue=60id=13 This article shows just how vulnerable L1 GPS is I'm not very impressed by design... That old Freescale/Motorola MC145151 PLL, and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:37 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility John Green wrote: jamming anyone's GPS. A while back, I was looking at one of those It doesn't look capable of putting out more than 50

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Tom Clifton
In the RC Model Airplane world where some brave souls are experimenting with autonoumous (UAV)  flight , it is usual that they have a part-15 video downlink and/or telemetry at 900mhz or 2.4ghz and unless you put a trap on the input to the GPS receiver to significantly reduce those frequencies

[time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-22 Thread John Green
Given that this is an extremely sensitive topic and completely illegal also, let me just state at the outset that I have no interest in jamming anyone's GPS. A while back, I was looking at one of those Chinese discount electronics websites, I'm sure we all have, and noticed a GPS jammer for sale.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There is *very* little signal hitting the ground from a normal GPS bird. Even a few mili watts close at hand is going to be an enormous overload. The typical GPS does not use a lot of bits in the front end A/D. I suspect that if you tuned your little gizmo down to the FM broadcast band, it

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/23/2010 12:19 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There is *very* little signal hitting the ground from a normal GPS bird. Even a few mili watts close at hand is going to be an enormous overload. The typical GPS does not use a lot of bits in the front end A/D. I suspect that if you tuned your

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-22 Thread scmcgrath
...@febo.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:29:56 To: time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility On 11/23/2010 12:19 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There is *very* little signal hitting

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:29:56 To: time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility On 11/23/2010 12:19 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There is *very