Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
Still chugging along just fine. A real reference. None of these spinny satellite things you can't see. Regards Paul On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:38 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes indeed. But the ole wwvb is keeping me pretty busy as is. If that was done it would be easy to build the loopstick up. I think I have an old wwvb loopstick and just need to change the tuning cap. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.netwrote: come on Paul - you need another project! 73 B -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:30 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Oh what a detour. It sounds like I may need to build a small loop stick antenna to see what that may do. I would agree that if you were at the station your needle or meter should have been pegged. I really don't need another project right now. :-) Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stan, Now I am confused!! I have an 857 and 80 - 6 screwdriver in my car. Tuned it up on 3800, then looked at broadcast band - Distant stations 500 - 600 khz were coming in aboug s9. Heard 100khz about s1 - qth is 9 miles line of site from wildwood tower. Drove to Wildwood and down to the old engineering station that has been abandoned and turned into a nature trail. Drove out to Loran gate - 500 feet from tower sig was up to S9. Thought it would be stronger. No one around but left my qsl card with a note -n Call me, I have questions! and my phone number in the gate access box. Will see if I get a call. I have a Wellbrook 1010 loop at 20 feet and am getting a null at about 30 degrees when receiving 100 khz. I checked null on a Wildwood AM station on 1230 and it is at 135 degrees so I know the loop is working. When I approached the tower I thought I should have a real strong signal but it only went up to about s9. I now think that Wildwood is not on the air and the increase in signal was being close to the 625 foot tower and it was acting as a passive repeater since it is resonant to 100 khz. So what loran station could be on the air at about 30 degrees or so from Cape May Court House, NJ 39 05 N 74 51 W Tower is 38 57 N 74 52 W. Mileage 9 miles and 185 deg from me. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware to tell me the supposed location to the LORAN plan 10 years ago. Only thing that may be possible is the RX signal strengths are different for master and slave, so they may be physically separated or their TX RF is from one location at different power levels. It will be interesting what your contact at Wildwood (NJ) has to say. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 1:06 PM, Bill Riches wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May - ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
Has anyone thought to ask them what their intentions are? It would seem to me that if they are interested in re-activating enough of the old LORAN-C network to provide time service that they might want to talk to folks that used to rely on LORAN-C for time service... -Chuck Harris Stan, W1LE wrote: After 11:20 hours still tracking and locked to LORAN. Frequency offset compared to my T'Bolt GPS/DO is -2.5E12. Stan W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 8:56 PM, paul swed wrote: We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's capabilities. Regards Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Chuck Their interest is indeed a time service as an alternate to GPS. There is no intent to re-activate much of the actual chains its not for the old location service at all. UrsaNav has published several ppts that show what there interests seem to be. I think the key business is selling new rcvrs that can take advantage of the new transfer method. Some of the work they have done shows that setting up a transmitter in the mid US has very good coverage but setting up 2 really does a very fine job. But all this said. Its unclear to me as to how the power bill gets paid every year. WWVB seems to have the gov paying the bill. And for us east coasters you don't get what you pay for. Not so sure UrsaNav has that backing. But selling rcvrs sure isn't going to pay for that electric bill even if they are far more then we time-nuts can afford. So I want to thank UrsaNav for at least putting a compatible signal out for the moment. Will enjoy as long as I can. I actually believe what we are seeing is a tug of war between NIST and UrsaNav for the actual transmit funding. Neither has a need to support the past to survive. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Has anyone thought to ask them what their intentions are? It would seem to me that if they are interested in re-activating enough of the old LORAN-C network to provide time service that they might want to talk to folks that used to rely on LORAN-C for time service... -Chuck Harris Stan, W1LE wrote: After 11:20 hours still tracking and locked to LORAN. Frequency offset compared to my T'Bolt GPS/DO is -2.5E12. Stan W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 8:56 PM, paul swed wrote: We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's capabilities. Regards Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
Hi Paul, I guess my point is, what is the point in firing up the transmitter for hours at a time, using the old coding, if they aren't planning on using the old coding? They could be doing propagation tests, but all of that was worked out 40 years ago and is available in white papers galore. So, if they aren't testing the new coding, what are they doing? It's not like you have to fire the transmitter up every few days to keep the oil warm. -Chuck Harris paul swed wrote: Chuck Their interest is indeed a time service as an alternate to GPS. There is no intent to re-activate much of the actual chains its not for the old location service at all. UrsaNav has published several ppts that show what there interests seem to be. I think the key business is selling new rcvrs that can take advantage of the new transfer method. Some of the work they have done shows that setting up a transmitter in the mid US has very good coverage but setting up 2 really does a very fine job. But all this said. Its unclear to me as to how the power bill gets paid every year. WWVB seems to have the gov paying the bill. And for us east coasters you don't get what you pay for. Not so sure UrsaNav has that backing. But selling rcvrs sure isn't going to pay for that electric bill even if they are far more then we time-nuts can afford. So I want to thank UrsaNav for at least putting a compatible signal out for the moment. Will enjoy as long as I can. I actually believe what we are seeing is a tug of war between NIST and UrsaNav for the actual transmit funding. Neither has a need to support the past to survive. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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http://www.insidegnss.com/node/3361 Paul, I'm not so sure about a big power bill. The average power of a LORAN transmitter is not high. -John === Chuck Their interest is indeed a time service as an alternate to GPS. There is no intent to re-activate much of the actual chains its not for the old location service at all. UrsaNav has published several ppts that show what there interests seem to be. I think the key business is selling new rcvrs that can take advantage of the new transfer method. Some of the work they have done shows that setting up a transmitter in the mid US has very good coverage but setting up 2 really does a very fine job. But all this said. Its unclear to me as to how the power bill gets paid every year. WWVB seems to have the gov paying the bill. And for us east coasters you don't get what you pay for. Not so sure UrsaNav has that backing. But selling rcvrs sure isn't going to pay for that electric bill even if they are far more then we time-nuts can afford. So I want to thank UrsaNav for at least putting a compatible signal out for the moment. Will enjoy as long as I can. I actually believe what we are seeing is a tug of war between NIST and UrsaNav for the actual transmit funding. Neither has a need to support the past to survive. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Has anyone thought to ask them what their intentions are? It would seem to me that if they are interested in re-activating enough of the old LORAN-C network to provide time service that they might want to talk to folks that used to rely on LORAN-C for time service... -Chuck Harris Stan, W1LE wrote: After 11:20 hours still tracking and locked to LORAN. Frequency offset compared to my T'Bolt GPS/DO is -2.5E12. Stan W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 8:56 PM, paul swed wrote: We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's capabilities. Regards Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop max is -40 db and null is -60 dbm. I did a conversion and comparison using my icom 7600 and HP3336 sig gen. Measuring with the HP 3586 did not agree with the previous method - I imagine the modulation screws up its reading. I will play around with the Perseus later and see what that reads. So - My question is - what stations are you copying? I will continue to see if Wildwood comes up again. My contact with Wildwood has left the room! 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop max is -40 db and null is -60 dbm. I did a conversion and comparison using my icom 7600 and HP3336 sig gen. Measuring with the HP 3586 did not agree with the previous method - I imagine the modulation screws up its reading. I will play around with the Perseus later and see what that reads. So - My question is - what stations are you copying? I will continue to see if Wildwood comes up again. My contact with Wildwood has left the room! 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop max is -40 db and null is -60 dbm. I did a conversion and comparison using my icom 7600 and HP3336 sig gen. Measuring with the HP 3586 did not agree with the previous method - I imagine the modulation screws up its reading. I will play around with the Perseus later and see what that reads. So - My question is - what stations are you copying? I will continue to see if Wildwood comes up again. My contact with Wildwood has left the room! 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Stan in agreement with your figures using a HP3801 as the gps ref. As to the location I don't really have any way to tell the direction. I really have to believe its still the test facility down in NJ. But I have no clue. Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop max is -40 db and null is -60 dbm. I did a conversion and comparison using my icom 7600 and HP3336 sig gen. Measuring with the HP 3586 did not agree with the previous method - I imagine the modulation screws up its reading. I will play around with the Perseus later and see what that reads. So - My question is - what stations are you copying? I will continue to see if Wildwood comes up again. My contact with Wildwood has left the room! 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJU __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
There isn't a way to tell what station it is. Its just the gri rate with a delay to the x station. But I assume its the same actual modulator and site. My 2 cents. Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop max is -40 db and null is -60 dbm. I did a conversion and comparison using my icom 7600 and HP3336 sig gen. Measuring with the HP 3586 did not agree with the previous method - I imagine the modulation screws up its reading. I will play around with the Perseus later and see what that reads. So - My question is - what stations are you copying? I will continue to see if Wildwood comes up again. My contact with Wildwood has left the room! 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
That is an interesting thought. Why a Master and X. Curious. They have been doing that since this all started. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: There isn't a way to tell what station it is. Its just the gri rate with a delay to the x station. But I assume its the same actual modulator and site. My 2 cents. Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.netwrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop max is -40 db and null is -60 dbm. I did a conversion and comparison using my icom 7600 and HP3336 sig gen. Measuring with the HP 3586 did not agree with the previous method - I imagine the modulation screws up its reading. I will play around with the Perseus later and see what that reads. So - My question is - what stations are you copying? I will continue to see if Wildwood comes up again. My contact with Wildwood has left the room! 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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There seems to be someone thinking that all LORAN-C stations are shut down, and this is not correct. I know first hand from the Eidi and Bø chain, that both are drifted by their host nations, as this responcibility was transfered to them from the USCG in 1995. I beleve most on foregin soil are drifted by their host nations. There is an interest in keeping the LORAN-C chains Eidi and Bø, as they give good coverage in the Barents sea. The current agreement keeps the chains in operation to 2018. BR. Thomas. 2013/2/5 Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com Has anyone thought to ask them what their intentions are? It would seem to me that if they are interested in re-activating enough of the old LORAN-C network to provide time service that they might want to talk to folks that used to rely on LORAN-C for time service... -Chuck Harris Stan, W1LE wrote: After 11:20 hours still tracking and locked to LORAN. Frequency offset compared to my T'Bolt GPS/DO is -2.5E12. Stan W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 8:56 PM, paul swed wrote: We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's capabilities. Regards Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html PDF is an better alternative and there are always LaTeX! ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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At first I assumed it was Wildwood because of the strong signal but the loop nulled out to the north, not to the east where Wildwood is. After lunch I will take the portable rx over to the antenna site and see if it is in fact the tx. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:16 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM There isn't a way to tell what station it is. Its just the gri rate with a delay to the x station. But I assume its the same actual modulator and site. My 2 cents. Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop max is -40 db and null is -60 dbm. I did a conversion and comparison using my icom 7600 and HP3336 sig gen. Measuring with the HP 3586 did not agree with the previous method - I imagine the modulation screws up its reading. I will play around with the Perseus later and see what that reads. So - My question is - what stations are you copying? I will continue to see if Wildwood comes up again. My contact with Wildwood has left the room! 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Old rate numbers for Wildwood on web site were 9930 9960 and 8090. That info is probably past history. Bill Riches -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:16 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM There isn't a way to tell what station it is. Its just the gri rate with a delay to the x station. But I assume its the same actual modulator and site. My 2 cents. Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop max is -40 db and null is -60 dbm. I did a conversion and comparison using my icom 7600 and HP3336 sig gen. Measuring with the HP 3586 did not agree with the previous method - I imagine the modulation screws up its reading. I will play around with the Perseus later and see what that reads. So - My question is - what stations are you copying? I will continue to see if Wildwood comes up again. My contact with Wildwood has left the room! 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi: Here's a table of US stations back when they were operational with links to Google images of the sites. http://www.prc68.com/I/Loran-c.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware to tell me the supposed location to the LORAN plan 10 years ago. Only thing that may be possible is the RX signal strengths are different for master and slave, so they may be physically separated or their TX RF is from one location at different power levels. It will be interesting what your contact at Wildwood (NJ) has to say. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 1:06 PM, Bill Riches wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May - ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi Stan, Now I am confused!! I have an 857 and 80 - 6 screwdriver in my car. Tuned it up on 3800, then looked at broadcast band - Distant stations 500 - 600 khz were coming in aboug s9. Heard 100khz about s1 - qth is 9 miles line of site from wildwood tower. Drove to Wildwood and down to the old engineering station that has been abandoned and turned into a nature trail. Drove out to Loran gate - 500 feet from tower sig was up to S9. Thought it would be stronger. No one around but left my qsl card with a note -n Call me, I have questions! and my phone number in the gate access box. Will see if I get a call. I have a Wellbrook 1010 loop at 20 feet and am getting a null at about 30 degrees when receiving 100 khz. I checked null on a Wildwood AM station on 1230 and it is at 135 degrees so I know the loop is working. When I approached the tower I thought I should have a real strong signal but it only went up to about s9. I now think that Wildwood is not on the air and the increase in signal was being close to the 625 foot tower and it was acting as a passive repeater since it is resonant to 100 khz. So what loran station could be on the air at about 30 degrees or so from Cape May Court House, NJ 39 05 N 74 51 W Tower is 38 57 N 74 52 W. Mileage 9 miles and 185 deg from me. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware to tell me the supposed location to the LORAN plan 10 years ago. Only thing that may be possible is the RX signal strengths are different for master and slave, so they may be physically separated or their TX RF is from one location at different power levels. It will be interesting what your contact at Wildwood (NJ) has to say. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 1:06 PM, Bill Riches wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May - ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Oh what a detour. It sounds like I may need to build a small loop stick antenna to see what that may do. I would agree that if you were at the station your needle or meter should have been pegged. I really don't need another project right now. :-) Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stan, Now I am confused!! I have an 857 and 80 - 6 screwdriver in my car. Tuned it up on 3800, then looked at broadcast band - Distant stations 500 - 600 khz were coming in aboug s9. Heard 100khz about s1 - qth is 9 miles line of site from wildwood tower. Drove to Wildwood and down to the old engineering station that has been abandoned and turned into a nature trail. Drove out to Loran gate - 500 feet from tower sig was up to S9. Thought it would be stronger. No one around but left my qsl card with a note -n Call me, I have questions! and my phone number in the gate access box. Will see if I get a call. I have a Wellbrook 1010 loop at 20 feet and am getting a null at about 30 degrees when receiving 100 khz. I checked null on a Wildwood AM station on 1230 and it is at 135 degrees so I know the loop is working. When I approached the tower I thought I should have a real strong signal but it only went up to about s9. I now think that Wildwood is not on the air and the increase in signal was being close to the 625 foot tower and it was acting as a passive repeater since it is resonant to 100 khz. So what loran station could be on the air at about 30 degrees or so from Cape May Court House, NJ 39 05 N 74 51 W Tower is 38 57 N 74 52 W. Mileage 9 miles and 185 deg from me. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware to tell me the supposed location to the LORAN plan 10 years ago. Only thing that may be possible is the RX signal strengths are different for master and slave, so they may be physically separated or their TX RF is from one location at different power levels. It will be interesting what your contact at Wildwood (NJ) has to say. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 1:06 PM, Bill Riches wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May - ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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One other comment. They can make the GRI anything they want so old tables don't really matter. They are also matching the X station to the master they are the same sig level and always have been looking at a scope. Still curious as to why you need the X station. I suppose it gives the rcvr 2 X the opportunity to verify time. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:30 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Oh what a detour. It sounds like I may need to build a small loop stick antenna to see what that may do. I would agree that if you were at the station your needle or meter should have been pegged. I really don't need another project right now. :-) Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.netwrote: Hi Stan, Now I am confused!! I have an 857 and 80 - 6 screwdriver in my car. Tuned it up on 3800, then looked at broadcast band - Distant stations 500 - 600 khz were coming in aboug s9. Heard 100khz about s1 - qth is 9 miles line of site from wildwood tower. Drove to Wildwood and down to the old engineering station that has been abandoned and turned into a nature trail. Drove out to Loran gate - 500 feet from tower sig was up to S9. Thought it would be stronger. No one around but left my qsl card with a note -n Call me, I have questions! and my phone number in the gate access box. Will see if I get a call. I have a Wellbrook 1010 loop at 20 feet and am getting a null at about 30 degrees when receiving 100 khz. I checked null on a Wildwood AM station on 1230 and it is at 135 degrees so I know the loop is working. When I approached the tower I thought I should have a real strong signal but it only went up to about s9. I now think that Wildwood is not on the air and the increase in signal was being close to the 625 foot tower and it was acting as a passive repeater since it is resonant to 100 khz. So what loran station could be on the air at about 30 degrees or so from Cape May Court House, NJ 39 05 N 74 51 W Tower is 38 57 N 74 52 W. Mileage 9 miles and 185 deg from me. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware to tell me the supposed location to the LORAN plan 10 years ago. Only thing that may be possible is the RX signal strengths are different for master and slave, so they may be physically separated or their TX RF is from one location at different power levels. It will be interesting what your contact at Wildwood (NJ) has to say. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 1:06 PM, Bill Riches wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May - ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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come on Paul - you need another project! 73 B -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:30 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Oh what a detour. It sounds like I may need to build a small loop stick antenna to see what that may do. I would agree that if you were at the station your needle or meter should have been pegged. I really don't need another project right now. :-) Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stan, Now I am confused!! I have an 857 and 80 - 6 screwdriver in my car. Tuned it up on 3800, then looked at broadcast band - Distant stations 500 - 600 khz were coming in aboug s9. Heard 100khz about s1 - qth is 9 miles line of site from wildwood tower. Drove to Wildwood and down to the old engineering station that has been abandoned and turned into a nature trail. Drove out to Loran gate - 500 feet from tower sig was up to S9. Thought it would be stronger. No one around but left my qsl card with a note -n Call me, I have questions! and my phone number in the gate access box. Will see if I get a call. I have a Wellbrook 1010 loop at 20 feet and am getting a null at about 30 degrees when receiving 100 khz. I checked null on a Wildwood AM station on 1230 and it is at 135 degrees so I know the loop is working. When I approached the tower I thought I should have a real strong signal but it only went up to about s9. I now think that Wildwood is not on the air and the increase in signal was being close to the 625 foot tower and it was acting as a passive repeater since it is resonant to 100 khz. So what loran station could be on the air at about 30 degrees or so from Cape May Court House, NJ 39 05 N 74 51 W Tower is 38 57 N 74 52 W. Mileage 9 miles and 185 deg from me. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware to tell me the supposed location to the LORAN plan 10 years ago. Only thing that may be possible is the RX signal strengths are different for master and slave, so they may be physically separated or their TX RF is from one location at different power levels. It will be interesting what your contact at Wildwood (NJ) has to say. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 1:06 PM, Bill Riches wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May - ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Yes indeed. But the ole wwvb is keeping me pretty busy as is. If that was done it would be easy to build the loopstick up. I think I have an old wwvb loopstick and just need to change the tuning cap. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: come on Paul - you need another project! 73 B -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:30 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Oh what a detour. It sounds like I may need to build a small loop stick antenna to see what that may do. I would agree that if you were at the station your needle or meter should have been pegged. I really don't need another project right now. :-) Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stan, Now I am confused!! I have an 857 and 80 - 6 screwdriver in my car. Tuned it up on 3800, then looked at broadcast band - Distant stations 500 - 600 khz were coming in aboug s9. Heard 100khz about s1 - qth is 9 miles line of site from wildwood tower. Drove to Wildwood and down to the old engineering station that has been abandoned and turned into a nature trail. Drove out to Loran gate - 500 feet from tower sig was up to S9. Thought it would be stronger. No one around but left my qsl card with a note -n Call me, I have questions! and my phone number in the gate access box. Will see if I get a call. I have a Wellbrook 1010 loop at 20 feet and am getting a null at about 30 degrees when receiving 100 khz. I checked null on a Wildwood AM station on 1230 and it is at 135 degrees so I know the loop is working. When I approached the tower I thought I should have a real strong signal but it only went up to about s9. I now think that Wildwood is not on the air and the increase in signal was being close to the 625 foot tower and it was acting as a passive repeater since it is resonant to 100 khz. So what loran station could be on the air at about 30 degrees or so from Cape May Court House, NJ 39 05 N 74 51 W Tower is 38 57 N 74 52 W. Mileage 9 miles and 185 deg from me. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware to tell me the supposed location to the LORAN plan 10 years ago. Only thing that may be possible is the RX signal strengths are different for master and slave, so they may be physically separated or their TX RF is from one location at different power levels. It will be interesting what your contact at Wildwood (NJ) has to say. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 1:06 PM, Bill Riches wrote: OK Stan, What stations are you receiving - not GRI numbers but locations! Bill Riches Cape May - ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on GRI 8970. compared to GPS/DO: phase offset 3.6 degrees, freq offset 6E-11 Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 9:48 AM, paul swed wrote: Don't hear LORAN today On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: was able to get a lock onto this GRI but not the master station. GRI 9007 is the EIDI chain with slaves at BO, Norway, Jan Mayen, and Vaerlandet also in Norway. Lock was short lived, but I will continue to monitor tonight. equipment: 2 orthogonal delta loops, top terminated, the SRS FS700 RX, Austron multifilter (multcoupler 1X4) Stan, W1LE Cape Cod __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Yes indeed they are on the air. Must have had to have the coffee while the solid state finals warmed up. Looks like a 10am start of the day, like banks. Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on GRI 8970. compared to GPS/DO: phase offset 3.6 degrees, freq offset 6E-11 Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 9:48 AM, paul swed wrote: Don't hear LORAN today On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: was able to get a lock onto this GRI but not the master station. GRI 9007 is the EIDI chain with slaves at BO, Norway, Jan Mayen, and Vaerlandet also in Norway. Lock was short lived, but I will continue to monitor tonight. equipment: 2 orthogonal delta loops, top terminated, the SRS FS700 RX, Austron multifilter (multcoupler 1X4) Stan, W1LE Cape Cod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshtt**ps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Stan indeed the srs700is locked and stabilizing. Fired up the austrons also and they are locking. So is the LORAN workday 1000 to 1700 EST?? Or is it a work week 1000 Monday to 1700 Friday? Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes indeed they are on the air. Must have had to have the coffee while the solid state finals warmed up. Looks like a 10am start of the day, like banks. Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on GRI 8970. compared to GPS/DO: phase offset 3.6 degrees, freq offset 6E-11 Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 9:48 AM, paul swed wrote: Don't hear LORAN today On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: was able to get a lock onto this GRI but not the master station. GRI 9007 is the EIDI chain with slaves at BO, Norway, Jan Mayen, and Vaerlandet also in Norway. Lock was short lived, but I will continue to monitor tonight. equipment: 2 orthogonal delta loops, top terminated, the SRS FS700 RX, Austron multifilter (multcoupler 1X4) Stan, W1LE Cape Cod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshtt**ps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
Boy LORAN austron2100 and 2100f and GPS HP3801are tracking really well. The Austrons are 1.5-2.0 E-12. Pretty much getting at there limits after 5 hours. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stan indeed the srs700is locked and stabilizing. Fired up the austrons also and they are locking. So is the LORAN workday 1000 to 1700 EST?? Or is it a work week 1000 Monday to 1700 Friday? Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes indeed they are on the air. Must have had to have the coffee while the solid state finals warmed up. Looks like a 10am start of the day, like banks. Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on GRI 8970. compared to GPS/DO: phase offset 3.6 degrees, freq offset 6E-11 Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 9:48 AM, paul swed wrote: Don't hear LORAN today On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: was able to get a lock onto this GRI but not the master station. GRI 9007 is the EIDI chain with slaves at BO, Norway, Jan Mayen, and Vaerlandet also in Norway. Lock was short lived, but I will continue to monitor tonight. equipment: 2 orthogonal delta loops, top terminated, the SRS FS700 RX, Austron multifilter (multcoupler 1X4) Stan, W1LE Cape Cod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshtt**ps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
I suspect my software version on the fs700 does not support the 2nd phase menu that allows a longer then 1 sec offset count. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Boy LORAN austron2100 and 2100f and GPS HP3801are tracking really well. The Austrons are 1.5-2.0 E-12. Pretty much getting at there limits after 5 hours. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stan indeed the srs700is locked and stabilizing. Fired up the austrons also and they are locking. So is the LORAN workday 1000 to 1700 EST?? Or is it a work week 1000 Monday to 1700 Friday? Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes indeed they are on the air. Must have had to have the coffee while the solid state finals warmed up. Looks like a 10am start of the day, like banks. Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.netwrote: Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on GRI 8970. compared to GPS/DO: phase offset 3.6 degrees, freq offset 6E-11 Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 9:48 AM, paul swed wrote: Don't hear LORAN today On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: was able to get a lock onto this GRI but not the master station. GRI 9007 is the EIDI chain with slaves at BO, Norway, Jan Mayen, and Vaerlandet also in Norway. Lock was short lived, but I will continue to monitor tonight. equipment: 2 orthogonal delta loops, top terminated, the SRS FS700 RX, Austron multifilter (multcoupler 1X4) Stan, W1LE Cape Cod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshtt**ps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John == Boy LORAN austron2100 and 2100f and GPS HP3801are tracking really well. The Austrons are 1.5-2.0 E-12. Pretty much getting at there limits after 5 hours. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stan indeed the srs700is locked and stabilizing. Fired up the austrons also and they are locking. So is the LORAN workday 1000 to 1700 EST?? Or is it a work week 1000 Monday to 1700 Friday? Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes indeed they are on the air. Must have had to have the coffee while the solid state finals warmed up. Looks like a 10am start of the day, like banks. Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on GRI 8970. compared to GPS/DO: phase offset 3.6 degrees, freq offset 6E-11 Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 9:48 AM, paul swed wrote: Don't hear LORAN today On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: was able to get a lock onto this GRI but not the master station. GRI 9007 is the EIDI chain with slaves at BO, Norway, Jan Mayen, and Vaerlandet also in Norway. Lock was short lived, but I will continue to monitor tonight. equipment: 2 orthogonal delta loops, top terminated, the SRS FS700 RX, Austron multifilter (multcoupler 1X4) Stan, W1LE Cape Cod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshtt**ps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's capabilities. Regards Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John == Boy LORAN austron2100 and 2100f and GPS HP3801are tracking really well. The Austrons are 1.5-2.0 E-12. Pretty much getting at there limits after 5 hours. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stan indeed the srs700is locked and stabilizing. Fired up the austrons also and they are locking. So is the LORAN workday 1000 to 1700 EST?? Or is it a work week 1000 Monday to 1700 Friday? Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes indeed they are on the air. Must have had to have the coffee while the solid state finals warmed up. Looks like a 10am start of the day, like banks. Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on GRI 8970. compared to GPS/DO: phase offset 3.6 degrees, freq offset 6E-11 Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 9:48 AM, paul swed wrote: Don't hear LORAN today On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: was able to get a lock onto this GRI but not the master station. GRI 9007 is the EIDI chain with slaves at BO, Norway, Jan Mayen, and Vaerlandet also in Norway. Lock was short lived, but I will continue to monitor tonight. equipment: 2 orthogonal delta loops, top terminated, the SRS FS700 RX, Austron multifilter (multcoupler 1X4) Stan, W1LE Cape Cod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshtt**ps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nuts https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nuts https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nuts https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM
After 11:20 hours still tracking and locked to LORAN. Frequency offset compared to my T'Bolt GPS/DO is -2.5E12. Stan W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 8:56 PM, paul swed wrote: We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's capabilities. Regards Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
