I have done a PCB that has connectors/mounting holes for the Adafruit, Crius
CN06 (uBlox Neo 6M), and Resolution-T and -SMD receivers. It has a DB9, 3.3V
regulator, and MAX232A chip. It can drive the 1PPS signal (either polarity) to
the CD signal on the DB9. Power to the circuitry can be ra
A couple of points I discovered while building these things.
This morning I got an Adafruit Ultimate (MTK3999) and a uBlox neo-6M module.
The first thing I discovered after looking at the specs , was that both have
on board LDO 3.3V regulators, so you can feed them 5V without harm. I had
want
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>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
>
>
>> I don't see that behavior. Looking at ~24 hours of data I have 1,024
>> unique (x,y) coordinates (as reported by the GGA sentence). The standard
>> deviation of the error relative to the median (x,y) position
I'm not sure what value 20 pieces is - but the LEA-6T still frequently goes
for $150, so wishful thinking is the LEA-8F won't be too far from that.
A Tbolt (new) is much, much more. I'm not too familiar with the prices of
other pre-integrated GPSDOs.
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Attila Ki
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 08:02:06 -0400 (EDT)
ewkeh...@aol.com wrote:
> Looks like they are doing exactly what I suggested as one of the
> alternatives for saw tooth correction. They have a VCTCXO in the module, with
> the
> computing power in their chip a no brainer. the question is how much will
Looks like they are doing exactly what I suggested as one of the
alternatives for saw tooth correction. They have a VCTCXO in the module, with
the
computing power in their chip a no brainer. the question is how much will it
cost and how important will it be for a GPSDO. Final cost at maximum
On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:43:44 -0700
Hal Murray wrote:
> The uBlox-6 has a free running osc. If it wasn't free running, it would be a
> GPSDO.
Their new LEA-M8F seems to be a GPSDO. The 30.72MHz output frequency
suggests the intended use in cell phone base stations.
Att
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Mark Sims wrote:
> When I was playing with an Adafruit GPS, it appeared that if it thought
> you were not moving it would go into a pseudo-position-hold mode and the
> output coords would not change. It took it a while to start outputting new
> coords when you s
> I don't see that behavior. Looking at ~24 hours of data I have 1,024
> unique (x,y) coordinates (as reported by the GGA sentence). The standard
> deviation of the error relative to the median (x,y) position is 1.2 meters.
Paul,
I agree. I have 30 days of Adafruit data; the position is never q
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Mark Sims wrote:
> I was playing with an Adafruit GPS, it appeared that if it thought you
> were not moving it would go into a pseudo-position-hold mode and the output
> coords would not change.
I don't see that behavior. Looking at ~24 hours of data I have 1
Bob wrote:
It's been a few years since I played with the TBolt delay. At least
on the one I messed with, it only did modulo 100 ns moves. Anything
finer grained than 100 ns simply was ignored.
That is true of the "jam synch" (used when the current PPS timing is
off by more than 50ns, general
iginal Message -
> From: "Jim Miller"
> To: "time-nuts"
> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
>
>
>> I spent some time reading the uBlox-6 documentation. I found the TIM-TP ubx
>> message and
When I was playing with an Adafruit GPS, it appeared that if it thought you
were not moving it would go into a pseudo-position-hold mode and the output
coords would not change. It took it a while to start outputting new coords
when you started moving again. This test was at walking speeds. I
j...@jtmiller.com said:
> I spent some time reading the uBlox-6 documentation. I found the TIM-TP ubx
> message and format. I see that there is also the ability to feed back to the
> uBlox-6 time shift info for the PPS in 1ns increments.
> Does it make sense to feed the TIM-TP info back this way
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 2:14 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote
>
> Position Hold is what makes a GPS receiver "timing", the sawtooth
> correction
> is icing on the cake.
>
I've been curious about this for a while:
SkyNav says the SKG16 (based on the MT3329) has a timing accuracy of 60ns
rms. Sure says
"
To: "time-nuts"
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
>I spent some time reading the uBlox-6 documentation. I found the TIM-TP ubx
> message and format. I see that there is also the ability to feed back to
> the uBlox-6 time
I spent some time reading the uBlox-6 documentation. I found the TIM-TP ubx
message and format. I see that there is also the ability to feed back to
the uBlox-6 time shift info for the PPS in 1ns increments.
Does it make sense to feed the TIM-TP info back this way to provide
correction?
Or is an
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Cc: W2GPS
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
Hi Rick,
Thanks very much for the correction, and for the additional information.
Glad to hear the M12M is still around. That's good news for all of us.
But then can you explain what you meant in your PTTI paper when you said:
ot;W2GPS"
To: "'Tom Van Baak'" ; "'Discussion of precise time and
frequency measurement'"
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
> Tom,
>
> There is an important error in your message be
ule.
Rick
W2GPS
-Original Message-
From: Tom Van Baak [mailto:t...@leapsecond.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:45 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
For a nice comparison of the M12+T, M12M, and ublox-6T, start with pa
use in quantity, or want an architecture that does or will
> accommodate Galileo and GLONASS, and are willing to pay the higher price,
> then check out the ublox-6T.
>
> /tvb
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Albertson"
> To: "Discu
quot;
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
> How does the u-bloc's performance compare to the M12+T?One of these is
> on my list of things to buy someday. I thought
Hi
You might want to actually measure the GPS modules to look at their
performance. Some of them (like the uBlox) can do much better than the
published specs.
Bob
On Apr 27, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Attila Kinali wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 22:36:27 -0700
> Chris Albertson wrote:
>
>> How does t
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 22:36:27 -0700
Chris Albertson wrote:
> How does the u-bloc's performance compare to the M12+T?One of these is
> on my list of things to buy someday. I thought the M12+T had a 1-sigma
> error in the single digit nanoseconds.The u-bloc is newer it is even
> better?
A
In message
, Paul writes:
>Sawtooth (quantization) correction is probably the defining characteristic.
Position Hold is what makes a GPS receiver "timing", the sawtooth correction
is icing on the cake.
--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP s
How does the u-bloc's performance compare to the M12+T?One of these is
on my list of things to buy someday. I thought the M12+T had a 1-sigma
error in the single digit nanoseconds.The u-bloc is newer it is even
better?
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 20
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> Are there more recent timing receivers available now
Yes. Google gps timing receiver for a start. Sawtooth (quantization)
correction is probably the defining characteristic. So even though u-Blox
makes 'T' versions (e.g. LEA-6T) they have
And quite a few companies use them.
In a message dated 4/26/2014 8:27:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
li...@rtty.us writes:
Hi
There are a number of timing receivers on the market. They still are a
very small percentage of the total units sold. A lot of people play with the
uBlox parts.
>> From: Bob Camp
>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> There are a number
p
>To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?
>
>
>Hi
>
>There are a number of timing receivers on the market. They still are a very
>small percentage of the total unit
Have a look for Navsync CW12-TIM. We'll be using these for various timing
applications including a simulcast radio repeater system over IP. They're
about US$89 from SemiconductorStore.com.
Many thanks!
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I'm reading though the manual for my re
Hi
There are a number of timing receivers on the market. They still are a very
small percentage of the total units sold. A lot of people play with the uBlox
parts.
Bob
On Apr 26, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I'm reading though the manual for my recently acquired M12+T which I'm
> lo
I'm reading though the manual for my recently acquired M12+T which I'm
looking forward to using.
I notice that the manual is dated 09FEB05.
So the M12+T has been around for about a decade.
Are there more recent timing receivers available now or has the ubiquity of
the consumer GPS market distrac
On Wed, April 26, 2006 21:30, Brooke Clarke said:
> Hi:
>
> Does anyone know about the new u-blox LEA-4T Timing GPS receiver and
> time stamp?
> http://www.u-blox.com/products/lea_4t.html
I have not seen any reviews on the resolution-T derivates that are
relative new.
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