Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-24 Thread Dan Kemppainen
The SX was/is a great chip. (I still use them on a near daily basis) Troubled history, though. This is part of why Parallax developed the Propeller. The premise behind the propeller, is that it is based on the Virtual Peripherals of the SX. You simulate peripherals by having interrupt code

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-24 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Has anyone else looked at the Parallax Propeller processor for timing functions? Hi Brian, Oh yes. Really nice chip. But for precise timing applications I had huge problems with phase and temperature stability of

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-24 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brian, Well, my disciplining code is going to run as an FLL rather than a PLL to generate the correction for the OCXO or the Rb reference. The Propeller should work fine for a GPSDO. AFAIK no one has done this yet and I encourage you to try. The Parallax Propeller chip gets mentioned on the

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Anders Wallin
Given that Arduinos are now sold in (almost) every super-market, and the programming IDE is free/open-source, and the C/C++ code is familiar to many, I would have thought the logical evolution of the pictic is to become an Arduino shield? One drawback (AFAIK) is that e.g. Arduino Due doesn't have

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Azelio Boriani
It seems that that the QEI on a dsPIC are internal hardware counters decoding the A/B phases of optical encoders: are you sure that they can be used like a time interval counter? Better to use the timer capture dedicated input. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Anders Wallin

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc) Given that Arduinos are now sold in (almost) every super-market, and the programming IDE is free/open-source, and the C/C++ code is familiar to many, I would

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Bob Stewart
, January 23, 2014 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc) It seems that that the QEI on a dsPIC are internal hardware counters decoding the A/B phases of optical encoders: are you sure that they can be used like a time interval counter? Better to use the timer

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Brian Lloyd
Has anyone else looked at the Parallax Propeller processor for timing functions? It has 8 cooperative cores and has a number of intrinsic timing functions for measuring intervals accurately, or for generating tightly-timed repetitive pulse trains, within the frequency accuracy range of the

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Azelio Boriani
As usual the hardware peripherals integrated in microprocessors are not really independent from the core: the capture signal must be synchronized with the microprocessor's clock to enter the core. This require usually a clock with double the speed you need for a real hardware counter implemented,

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
Has anyone else looked at the Parallax Propeller processor for timing functions? Hi Brian, Oh yes. Really nice chip. But for precise timing applications I had huge problems with phase and temperature stability of its internal PLL. I tried half a dozen different boards purchased over several

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread paul swed
Good thread. Yes I am very aware of the parallax propeller. As you both say kind of a crazy chip. I have used another product the SXB micros. They run Basic at 80 Mhz and are so cheap that If I have more than a few chips I just switch over. Unfortunately they are obsolete in the dip form. When I

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Daniel Mendes
That´s a big problem. To go sub-100ns you must make frequency 10Mhz, and most of these chips only run at 10MHz using internal PLLs (you can´t directly clock them with more than about 20MHz.. or at least the datasheet says so). A FPGA has no such problems (or at least they are very

[time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-22 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom, Do you know of any other PIC projects that get a greater resolution?  I was thinking of doing something with a dsPIC33 running at 140MHz or greater, but I'm not sure I want to devote the time to if it's it's been done. Bob From: Tom Van Baak (lab)

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-22 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Hi Bob, It's pretty easy to get a tiny PIC or AVR down to 50 ns, so to me the next sweet spot would be 1 or 2 ns. A couple of us are trying. Contact me off-list re the dsPIC33. /tvb (i5s) On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: Tom, Do you know of any other PIC