Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, I was thinking of trying a PICTIC II partial redesign with a Xilinx CPLD, using other type of fast turn off diodes and so on. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:55:36 -0900 (AKST) Richard H McCorkle mccor...@ptialaska.net wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-07 Thread Hal Murray
att...@kinali.ch said: BTW: does anyone know how these days low cost FPGAs perform in terms of jitter? (the data sheets are kind of scarce in that regard). And how do they compare to state of the art ECL logic? Generally, not good. The general problem is that they have a lot of logic and a

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
To enhance the PICTIC II performance can step recovery diodes be used? Maybe the fast turn off can boost the switching capabilities of the interpolator for best resolution... On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: att...@kinali.ch said: BTW: does anyone

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-07 Thread David
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 08:28:14 +0100, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:55:36 -0900 (AKST) Richard H McCorkle mccor...@ptialaska.net wrote: While using a faster timebase or higher interpolator gain increases the resolution that doesn?t imply the accuracy will also

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-07 Thread David
Step recovery diodes turn off fast but have a relatively long storage time. The fastest switched current integrators use schottky diodes. On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 14:06:55 +0100, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.it wrote: To enhance the PICTIC II performance can step recovery diodes be used?

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-06 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:55:36 -0900 (AKST) Richard H McCorkle mccor...@ptialaska.net wrote: While using a faster timebase or higher interpolator gain increases the resolution that doesn’t imply the accuracy will also increase. The PICTIC II uses CMOS logic with propagation delays that vary

[time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
I know it has been a while since the boards were sent out, but I finally placed an order with Mouser to populate the two boards I bought. I already have the unobtainium chips and can program the PICs, so no problems there. The question is, how do I use the PICTIC II after I've assembled it? I

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
John, I appreciate your help. Among other things, I'm not sure what to do with the adjustment pots after I finish building the board. Speaking of software, I was wondering if anyone had written a program for controlling the PICTIC II and logging the data. Using a serial terminal can be tedious.

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
John, Would using the 50 MHz XO option be something I should consider? Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread John Miles
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:04 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions John, Would using

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:12 PM, John Miles jmi...@pop.net wrote:  We were also talking about some possible GUI ideas for configuration and data acquisition, but I was ramping up a larger project at the time and never had time to explore them further. Before anything like a GUI, I think I'm

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Stanley
I appreciate your help. Among other things, I'm not sure what to do with the adjustment pots after I finish building the board. Set up to measure an interval that is more or less ramdon or granteed to cover the full range of the interpters. The idea is to adjust each pair the stop and start

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
I know the resolution can be enhanced by swapping out some parts, but it's been too long to recall the details. On the schematic is a list of alternate XOs. For 50 MHz, the 1000 pf cap is changed to 180 pf. This is stated to give 25 ps maximum resolution. If this simple change is all that is

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
Set up to measure an interval that is more or less ramdon or granteed to cover the full range of the interpters. The idea is to adjust each pair the stop and start sides to cover the full range of possible of numbers without overlap or loss of resolution. What source would I use to

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Fellow Time Nuts, The PICTIC II is a spin-off of a low cost front end developed for a GPSDO to compare the oscillator to GPS 1PPS over very short ( 20us) time intervals. In that application all that was required was 1ns TIC resolution to match the resolution of the GPS sawtooth correction to get