Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
I'm now using the SKG25A1 as a PPS source for an NTP server. Aside from the offset, I noticed a large offset jump in the NTP loopstats (attached) occurring about once a day. This is not the server oscillator drifting since the frequency graph looks good at this point and this behavior can

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-11 Thread Gabs Ricalde
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:55 PM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gabs, I've seen similar jumps, and it happens when the GPS/PPS signal drops out for a while. In my case, the GPS receiver is sitting just in an upstairs room, not near a window or the root (as I normally

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
From: Gabs Ricalde [] David, I forgot to thank you for your helpful site and NTP plotter. I have the antenna outside with a 180 degree view of the sky, outages should be rare. Looking at the loopstats, the outage during the 4 us jump is about 12 seconds. This is a test server, I only have the

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-11 Thread Gabs Ricalde
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:00 PM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: From: Gabs Ricalde [] David, I forgot to thank you for your helpful site and NTP plotter. I have the antenna outside with a 180 degree view of the sky, outages should be rare. Looking at the loopstats,

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
I'm not sure about the jammer but I'm running a timing receiver in position hold several floors up, I haven't seen dropouts like this. ntpd is running with a noselect NMEA source since I'm having problems with ntpd marking the PPS and NMEA as falsetickers. The startup sequence for the server is

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-08 Thread Gabs Ricalde
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 22:28:20 -0500 From: Bob Camp lists at rtty.us Hi A lot depends on exactly what the interrupt structure is. It may also depend on the phase of the cpu clock relative to the pps signal. What's reasonably sure is that there is indeed some offset between the two where

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-08 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, this is a good test: to evaluate how your preferred uP can perform as a time interval counter, you can hook two GPDSOs' PPS to it and see the result. The best would be to have at hand also a real TIC (HP53132A, PM6681, SR620 or similar) and compare. On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Bob Camp

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-08 Thread Don Latham
I use a tee connection and terminated 100 foot (33 m )piece of RG58 coax for a known delay to the stop pulse. Don L Azelio Boriani Yes, this is a good test: to evaluate how your preferred uP can perform as a time interval counter, you can hook two GPDSOs' PPS to it and see the result. The

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-08 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, I use the two GPSDOs method because I can set the PPS position but the cable is useful and only one GPSDO (or any other stable PPS source) is enough. On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I use a tee connection and terminated 100 foot (33 m )piece of RG58 coax

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-07 Thread Chris Albertson
One more test to try. Connect one PPS signal to both GPIO ports and see how close to zero offset you get. It would likely be random which gets read first. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Gabs Ricalde gsrica...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, As Tom suggested, I redid the test with less than

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A lot depends on exactly what the interrupt structure is. It may also depend on the phase of the cpu clock relative to the pps signal. What's reasonably sure is that there is indeed some offset between the two where the answer is indeed ft's random. Another thing to check - how wide is the

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Rather major typo there Should be - 2 us would NOT come as a big surprise. Bob On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Based on a quick look, the SkyNav does not appear to be a timing specific part. A 2 us error in a navigation part would come as a big surprise.

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-05 Thread Gabs Ricalde
Hi everyone, As Tom suggested, I redid the test with less than 1 ft. of wire from the PPS output to the GPIO without any logic gates or line receivers. Same result, the SKG25A1 was 2 microseconds ahead of the 58534A. Without any other way of testing, I would probably trust the output of the

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Based on a quick look, the SkyNav does not appear to be a timing specific part. A 2 us error in a navigation part would come as a big surprise. Bob On Dec 3, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Gabs Ricalde gsrica...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using a Symmetricom 58534A GPS timing receiver and a GPS board

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-04 Thread David J Taylor
Hi Based on a quick look, the SkyNav does not appear to be a timing specific part. A 2 us error in a navigation part would come as a big surprise. Bob == Indeed! The PPS output of various navigation parts I've checked recently have typically been

[time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-03 Thread Gabs Ricalde
I'm using a Symmetricom 58534A GPS timing receiver and a GPS board with a SkyNav SKG25A1 module driving stratum 1 NTP servers. On one of the servers, the ppstest output while the 58534A is connected looks like: source 0 - assert 1354495734.00102 source 0 - assert 1354495735.00040 When I

Re: [time-nuts] PPS offset between GPS receivers

2012-12-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Gabs, and welcome to the list. Or, the 58534A is 2 us late compared to the SKG25A1. If you have a 'scope handy check the risetime of the signal at all points in the long chain from the 58534A to the GPIO. Better yet, if you have a dual-channel 'scope or TI counter, compare the 1PPS's as