Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-08 Thread Arnold Tibus
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:55:04 -0700, Tom Van Baak wrote: [...] Yes, it's quite flexible and you can have a lot of fun replacing the OCXO. I'm assuming a number of you will be trying this in the coming months. But even with the onboard OCXO, it allows you to change the time constant which can make a

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Sims
I am calculating plotting the ADEVs (or OADEVs) of the Thunderbolt's own PPS and OSC error estimates. The values are its estimate in the error of the PPS signal edge/OSC zero crossing to GPS time. I have queue of 22000 entries that tracks the last 22000 values of PPS and OSC errors. Every

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-08 Thread Tom Van Baak
Yeah, it's kinda flakey to rely on the device to compare its output signals to its own interpretation of GPS time, but it's free and requires no external equipment. Just because something is free doesn't mean it has any meaning. Stop and think about what your statistics are showing. The

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Sims
I do modify the OSC ppb value to morph it into nanoseconds of error before I feed it to the ADEV code (at least I think I do... the documentation is not really clear on what the value really is). The constant 1 second offset that I added to the data makes absolutely no difference in the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-08 Thread Tom Van Baak
As far as what the statistics are showing... well they show the ADEV values of the Thunderbolt's own measurements of the signal errors (auto ADEV?). How those compare to measurements against an external reference is left as an exercise to the reader. What you're calculating is the

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-07 Thread Tom Clifton
The manual doesn't give much direction on tweaking the disciplining parameters. Also, not having anything better to compare results to, I'm pretty handicapped. Has anybody done any tweaking and perhaps can offer any suggestions? Over the weekend I was able to get a GPS antenna on the roof

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Tom Clifton wrote: The manual doesn't give much direction on tweaking the disciplining parameters. Also, not having anything better to compare results to, I'm pretty handicapped. Has anybody done any tweaking and perhaps can offer any suggestions? Over the weekend I was able to get a

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-07 Thread Mark Sims
The Thunderbolt attempts to align the specified PPS and OSC edges with the GPS satellite time signal. The PPB parameter is its estimate of the error of the oscillator edge from where it needs to be. They specify it in mysterious parts-per-billion, but never really say billions of what.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping

2008-07-07 Thread Richard W. Solomon
@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Loop Damping Tom Clifton wrote: The manual doesn't give much direction on tweaking the disciplining parameters. Also, not having anything better to compare results to, I'm pretty handicapped. Has anybody done any tweaking and perhaps can offer any