Re: [time-nuts] Antennas for Symettricom 2500 Time Source

2018-06-09 Thread Björn
Note that many Antcom antennas are 2.5 to 24VDC... /Björn Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Jun 2018, at 22:31, Dan Rae wrote: > >> On 6/9/2018 12:05 PM, Bruce Hunter via time-nuts wrote: >> Has anyone stumbled across the 12V antennas for Symmetricom 2500 Time Source >> units. > I have a Symmetric

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas for Symettricom 2500 Time Source

2018-06-09 Thread Dan Rae
On 6/9/2018 12:05 PM, Bruce Hunter via time-nuts wrote: Has anyone stumbled across the 12V antennas for Symmetricom 2500 Time Source units. I have a Symmetricom "Replacement GPS Antenna Kit" P/N 142-614-50 which consists of "one wide range 5-12 VDC L1 antenna" and 50 feet of Belden 9104 coax t

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas for Symettricom 2500 Time Source

2018-06-09 Thread William H. Fite
I have one, Bruce, do you have questions about it? They are readily available. Search on TELECOM SOLUTIONS TS-3500 090-71010-87 It says TS-3500 but the same part is used on the 2500. Bill On Saturday, June 9, 2018, Bruce Hunter via time-nuts wrote: > > Has anyone stumbled across the 12V an

[time-nuts] Antennas for Symettricom 2500 Time Source

2018-06-09 Thread Bruce Hunter via time-nuts
Has anyone stumbled across the 12V antennas for Symmetricom 2500 Time Source units. The basic 23 dB model was a Symmetricom 112-1-02, furnished as part of the 093-03110-11 kit. They also offered a 40 dB model, 112-8-02 with the 093-30110-12 kit and a 50 dB model, 112-8-03 as pa

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/18/13 1:40 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: All of the "high quality" GNSS receiver manufacturers have their own version of correlator that try to mitigate multipath. See for example this Ashtech-document (for a ca 10 year old L1 only receiver (DG14/16)). ftp://ftp.ashtech.com/OEM,%20Sen

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-18 Thread bg
Magnus, Jim, > On 04/18/2013 04:00 PM, Jim Lux wrote: >> On 4/18/13 12:01 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: >>> If I read the paper correctly you can skip the choke ring if you mount >>> the >>> antenna on top of a 2 meter or longer mast. Iron pipe comes on 10 foot >>> lengths. The choke ring is for port

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
nyone know the history of these ,I can find almost nothing. Email me directly if you have info, or I can start a new thread. Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:58:22 +0200 From: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-18 Thread Tom Knox
start a new thread. Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:58:22 +0200 > From: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network > > On 04/18/2013 04:00 PM, Jim Lux wrote: > > On 4/18/13 1

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/18/2013 04:00 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/18/13 12:01 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: If I read the paper correctly you can skip the choke ring if you mount the antenna on top of a 2 meter or longer mast. Iron pipe comes on 10 foot lengths. The choke ring is for portable survey antenna that can't b

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/18/13 12:01 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: If I read the paper correctly you can skip the choke ring if you mount the antenna on top of a 2 meter or longer mast. Iron pipe comes on 10 foot lengths. The choke ring is for portable survey antenna that can't be placed on tall rooftop masts. I th

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-18 Thread Chris Albertson
If I read the paper correctly you can skip the choke ring if you mount the antenna on top of a 2 meter or longer mast. Iron pipe comes on 10 foot lengths. The choke ring is for portable survey antenna that can't be placed on tall rooftop masts. I think a 2 meter pole on a roof pretty much meets

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-17 Thread David J Taylor
From: li...@lazygranch.com But the pan is just a ground plane. It isn't a reflector based on the type of antennas I saw in the photograph. = If you are referring to my antenna farm photo, that's correct. It is also magnetic, so it holds the pucks in place. Chee

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/17/13 12:18 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Another way to ask this question is "what is the effect of a small deviation form the ideal dimensions?" If we assume deviations of about 1/20th of a wavelength are OK then we can allow about 1cm of dimensional error. Almost anyone using simple hand t

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-17 Thread lists
time and frequency measurement Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network Another way to ask this question is "what is the effect of a small deviation form the ideal dimensions?" If we assum

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-17 Thread Chris Albertson
Another way to ask this question is "what is the effect of a small deviation form the ideal dimensions?" If we assume deviations of about 1/20th of a wavelength are OK then we can allow about 1cm of dimensional error. Almost anyone using simple hand tools can do better. With care using primitive

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-16 Thread David J Taylor
From: Sarah White I just have to ask though... cake pans? really? I can't imagine it would even be possible to modify a cake pan with enough accuracy to get a usable antenna. -- Sarah Well, my GPS antenna farm uses an inverted baking tray http://w

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/16/13 5:19 PM, Sarah White wrote: I just have to ask though... cake pans? really? I can't imagine it would even be possible to modify a cake pan with enough accuracy to get a usable antenna. Sure.. cake pans, like other stamped goods, are actually pretty high precision, because they're

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-16 Thread Sarah White
On 4/16/2013 1:55 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 4/15/13 10:22 PM, Jim Lux wrote: >> On 4/15/13 9:27 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: >>> NIST SIM GPS common view pinwheel >> described in one of the NIST reports as an aperture coupled slot fed >> array that is better than a patch, but not as large and heavy as a c

[time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/15/13 10:22 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/15/13 9:27 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: NIST SIM GPS common view pinwheel described in one of the NIST reports as an aperture coupled slot fed array that is better than a patch, but not as large and heavy as a choke ring. W. Kunysz, 2000, “High Performance

[time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-28 Thread Mark Sims
Read through the comments at the start of the file heather.cpp There is an option for Heather to control the temperature of the Tbolt.  This is most easily done by enclosing it in a box and using a small fan to pump ambient air into the box.  Heather has a nice PID controller (that Warren Sark

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/28/2010 09:38 AM, Hal Murray wrote: What is the purpose of the temperature sensor chip on the PCB, anyway? Isn't the temperature inside the OCXO much more important? The OCXO isn't perfcet. The frequency will shift slightly with environmental temperature changes. Let's consider a the

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-28 Thread Bob Camp
; Russell (newbie) > > > - Original Message - From: > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas > > > Instead of reacting to a change in th

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-28 Thread Hal Murray
> What is the purpose of the temperature sensor chip on the PCB, anyway? Isn't > the temperature inside the OCXO much more important? The OCXO isn't perfcet. The frequency will shift slightly with environmental temperature changes. It may have been more important without the high-quality OCXO

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread russell
ommand do? It prompts you to "enter desired operating temperature". What could it control? Russell (newbie) - Original Message - From: To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread bg
Instead of reacting to a change in the OCXO, the control software can be proactive wrt a change that is heading towards the inside of the oven. -- Björn > What is the purpose of the temperature sensor chip on the PCB, anyway? > Isn't the temperature inside the OCXO much more important? > > -

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread Mark J. Blair
What is the purpose of the temperature sensor chip on the PCB, anyway? Isn't the temperature inside the OCXO much more important? -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X Web page: http://www.nf6x.net/ GnuPG public key available from my web page. ___ time-nuts ma

[time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread Mark Sims
Long term stability is pretty much totally irrelevant for Tbolts.  What is important is resolution of the temperature readings.  The Tbolt responds much more to changes in temperature,  not absolute temperature.   Since few of us have an oil bath to chec

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Based only on the fact that they never fixed the problem with the chip - I don't think they do a lot of fine grain temperature correction. They certainly went on shipping the units as spec compliant. Bob On Sep 27, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > >> Bottom line appears to be - f

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread Hal Murray
> Bottom line appears to be - fine for day to day checks. I would not trust > any of these chips to be long term stable to sub 10 mK levels. I think the temperature correction is only used in holdover. What's the time constant on learning the temperature profile of the OCXO? As long as the agi

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread Bob Camp
of data out > there somewhere... > > Thanks again... > > 73 Brice KA8MAV > > - Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas > > >> Rather than put up two antennas, why not use one, a

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread Heathkid
nd any long term stability data on them? Seems there should be almost a decade of data out there somewhere... Thanks again... 73 Brice KA8MAV - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas Rather than put up two ante

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread shalimr9
itself... Didier KO4BB Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: k6...@comcast.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:50:15 To: Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas

[time-nuts] antennas & GPS Splitters

2010-09-27 Thread Mike Feher
.net Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:50 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas Rather than put up two antennas, why not use one, and pick up a HP/Symmetricom GPS splitter? (Mini-Circuits makes a similar unit). You can find them on eBay for various prices. The Symmetricom

Re: [time-nuts] antennas

2010-09-27 Thread k6rtm
Rather than put up two antennas, why not use one, and pick up a HP/Symmetricom GPS splitter? (Mini-Circuits makes a similar unit). You can find them on eBay for various prices. The Symmetricom one, the 58535A, supports 2 GPS receivers. It has a built-in amplifier and filters, so it provides high

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas, roofs

2009-02-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <619502179.1235901234946739463.javamail.r...@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.m ail.comcast.net>, d.sei...@comcast.net writes: >> A slightly crazy idea... Has anybody poked antennas up inside a skylight? Yes, it works, I have a M12T running that way. It is an acrylic or polycarbonate (not sure)

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas, roofs

2009-02-18 Thread d . seiter
p up the existing roof and put everything in place. Sigh... - Original Message - From: "Ken Winterling" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:33:40 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas, roofs

2009-02-17 Thread Stan W1LE
Hello Hal, You can find roof penetrations in the plumbing dept of Home Depot or Lowes. Some will handle from a 4" (ID) PVC pipe used as a drain vent, down to a 1" trade size pipe. I prefer the rubber gland on sheet metal, vs. the rubber gland on plastic. Using the white DWV (drain waste vent) P

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas, roofs

2009-02-17 Thread EWKehren
Depending where you are most homes have sewer vents. I have used this repeatedly in the US and in Germany. This is a PVC pipe going through the roof and normally well sealed by the roofer, but open on the top. In the past Radio Shack had pipe to pipe clamps the pair for less than $10. You ch

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas, roofs

2009-02-17 Thread Ken Winterling
Hal, If your new roof will have a ridge vent you can poke the antenna cables through it to the outside leaving enough slack to create a drip loop before continuing to the antenna(s). Since the ridge vent follows the slope of the roof the cable will exit on the down side so water will run off. Ke

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas, roofs

2009-02-17 Thread Eric Williams
Yup, running my T-bolt on an indoor patch antenna hoisted to the apex of a skylight. Works fine. My GPS NTP server uses a bullet antenna mounted on a short (~1ft) pole bolted to a block of wood on the side of the house, feedthrough is PVC pipe going through the wall with a 45-degree coupler on th

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas, roofs

2009-02-17 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Hal, A metal roof is generally used for those areas that have heavy snow. Such a roof would be disastrous for the GPS if the antenna is low on top of the roof because of reflections. A metal roof would be harder to seal, I would think, for holes drilled through it. Also a metal roof can be qu

[time-nuts] Antennas, roofs

2009-02-17 Thread Hal Murray
> I really need to put in a feed through to the roof because my Z3801A > is struggling with an indoor antenna too; but the roof needs to get > replaced first... Speaking of antennas and roofs Currently, my antennas are inside. That's good enough most of the time. It's also good for provi

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-17 Thread Chuck Harris
Neon John wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:43:41 -0500, Chuck Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Neon John wrote: >>> Federal law says that landlords cannot prohibit satellite TV dishes. >>> Another one of >>> those "best laws money can buy". The implication for a solution to the GPS >>> ant

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-17 Thread Richard W. Solomon
ndlord, if he asks, the use is classified. 73, Dick, W1KSZ/7 -Original Message- >From: Chuck Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Dec 17, 2007 11:43 AM >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments > >N

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-17 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:43:41 -0500, Chuck Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Neon John wrote: >> Federal law says that landlords cannot prohibit satellite TV dishes. Another >> one of >> those "best laws money can buy". The implication for a solution to the GPS >> antenna >> problem is fairly o

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-17 Thread Chuck Harris
Neon John wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:49 -0800, Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Talk to your building superintendent. Offer to provide NTP service to the >> whole complex if he will help you setup a GPS antenna. > > I can see it now. "Duh, how's this NTP stuff gonna hel

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-17 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:49 -0800, Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Talk to your building superintendent. Offer to provide NTP service to the >whole complex if he will help you setup a GPS antenna. I can see it now. "Duh, how's this NTP stuff gonna help me unstop the toilet in 23?"

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-16 Thread Hal Murray
> i thought of tha balcony option. The balcony as an overhang which > effectively blots out the other half of ths sky not covered by the > building. I cannot hang any antenna over the railing or on it(in my > lease and enofrce;I asked), plus there are birds and squirrels which > would get into