Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread ew
time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2012 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:46 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Having played with several solutions I found the best is a 12 V 1 A switcher with the output voltage increased to 15 V, check

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread Azelio Boriani
Kehren -Original Message- From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2012 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread EWKehren
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2012 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:46 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Having played with several solutions I found the best is a 12 V 1 A switcher

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread Jerry
-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:38 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply Thank you. Will look for it here under thermal pad. Bert In a message dated 8/27/2012 8:08:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread Michael Tharp
On 08/27/2012 10:09 AM, Jerry wrote: Are these thermal pads temp conductive or insulative? If you want heat dissipation why not use the readily available thermal grease used for semiconductor mounting? Cheap and not really messy if applied correctly A layer of Kapton (polyimide) tape would be

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread EWKehren
...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2012 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:46 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Having played with several solutions I found

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread Jerry
:44 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply There are components and traces. Bert In a message dated 8/27/2012 10:10:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jster...@att.net writes: Are these thermal pads temp conductive or insulative? If you want heat

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:48 AM, ew ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: te and am looking for the material switchers use between semiconductor and cooling plate Any one know where I can buy it in sheet form? Bert Kehren What happens if you flood the entire assembly in transformer oil? Aside from

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:02 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:48 AM, ew ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: te and am looking

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread Ed Palmer
-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:44 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply There are components and traces. Bert In a message dated 8/27/2012 10:10:45 A.M. Eastern

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-27 Thread J. L. Trantham
of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply Are these thermal pads temp conductive or insulative? If you want heat dissipation why not use the readily available thermal grease used for semiconductor mounting? Cheap and not really messy

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-26 Thread EWKehren
Having played with several solutions I found the best is a 12 V 1 A switcher with the output voltage increased to 15 V, check the capacitors and if necessary replace with 25 V. I laid out a PC board that has a TC7662A inverter followed by a 79L12. Also on the board is a 7812 followed by a

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The only real disadvantage of a 7812 / 340-12 is it's relatively high drop out voltage compared to a 1764 (or similar). Stability of any of them will be impacted more by thermal issues than anything else. The colder you can keep the 12V regulator, the more stable it will be. The +12 is by

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/26/2012 02:07 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The only real disadvantage of a 7812 / 340-12 is it's relatively high drop out voltage compared to a 1764 (or similar). Stability of any of them will be impacted more by thermal issues than anything else. The colder you can keep the 12V regulator,

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-26 Thread EWKehren
Having played with most combinations I could think of including the 1764 there is a lot to be said about the stability of the 7812 and mounting every thing on one plate since power dissipation of the OCXO decreases with increase in ambient temperature and current fluctuation is minimal since

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:46 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Having played with several solutions I found the best is a 12 V 1 A switcher with the output voltage increased to 15 V, check the capacitors and if necessary replace with 25 V. I laid out a PC board that has a TC7662A inverter

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-26 Thread Don Latham
Hi all: I'm using buck regulators from our ebay friends, e.g. 130704328176 at a little over $1.00 apiece, settable to 5 v or 12 v or whatever, capable of 3 A with good heatsink. Foldback protection. Better than a 3-legged fuse, as my good gaffer Argus calls 'em. Don Bob Camp Hi The only real

[time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Jerry
I am using a Cisco supply 3 voltage supply for the T-bolt. Is there any performance loss if the +12vdc rail and the -12vdc rail are off by a few % in opposite directions, e,g +11.7 vdc and -12.3vdc ? Tia Jerry ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As long as the +12 is stable a few percent isn't going to hurt anything. The -12 can be off by a few volts and everything will be fine. Bob On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jerry jster...@att.net wrote: I am using a Cisco supply 3 voltage supply for the T-bolt. Is there any performance loss

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Jerry jster...@att.net wrote: I am using a Cisco supply 3 voltage supply for the T-bolt. Is there any performance loss if the +12vdc rail and the -12vdc rail are off by a few % in opposite directions, e,g +11.7 vdc and -12.3vdc ? The true nuts here on the

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Edgardo Molina
Dear Chris, Good afternoon. I am in the process of mounting my TBolt to a 2U 19 rack enclosure and was looking for a decent power supply. I found the Cisco unit and I am ordering a couple of them just in case. It would really be nice if I could have access to the diagram of the upgrade you did

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Chris Albertson
I never made a diagram. All I did was solder down a terminal block to each end of a piece of prototype board. I connected the power lines using some small inductors I had and bypassed power to ground using (I think) 0.01 caps. I mounted the Cisco power supply block to the inside of the case

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The easy way to do a TBolt supply is to start with something between 15 and 18 volts. Regulate down to 12 and 5 with linear regulators. 7805's are fine for the +5. Something like a LT1764 might be better for the +12. The -12 supply is very low current and does not matter much. People have

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Hal Murray
li...@rtty.us said: The -12 supply is very low current and does not matter much. Is the -12 used only for the RS-232, or is it also the negative supply to the DAC? If the latter, the regulation and noise may be important. I think I remember comments about it being used by the DAC. Wasn't

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The -12 runs the RS-232 and the negative supply to the DAC buffer. As long as it's past about -7V everything works pretty well. With no negative supply the DAC may have issues. Most of the OCXOs run right around 0V…. Bob On Aug 25, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net

[time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread Arthur Dent
I think I remember comments about it being used by the DAC.  Wasn't there some mention of the TBolt working with a dead -12 supply, but only as long as the DAC output was above 0. That was the conclusion. Actually the units these Thunderbolts were removed from used -7VDC instead of -12VDC.

Re: [time-nuts] newbie question Thunderbolt supply

2012-08-25 Thread J. L. Trantham
I would recommend a linear regulated supply rather than a 'switching' supply. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Dent Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:25 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] newbie