Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 175, Issue 25

2019-02-18 Thread Tango Lima
Re: NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder NIST has been doing the Time and Frequency Seminar for a few decades now. Typically it is a mix of lectures and demos including some tours. They bring in a number of speakers including current staff and some guest speakers. John Vig

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
Hugh, You must be the only one this ever happened to ;) Didier KO4BB On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 7:06 PM Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems) < hugh.r...@hp.com> wrote: > > Putting things in writing and disclosing it to the public is a risky > undertaking!  > > Best wishes, > Hugh >

Re: [time-nuts] AD9912 DDS frequency resolution measurement?

2019-02-18 Thread Anders Wallin
Hi, thanks for the comments. A bit more details about the boards and the measurements. DDS board1 is an AD evaluation kit AD9912A/PCBZ which is fed a 1 GHz SYSCLK generated on another evaluation board EVAL-ADF4350EB1Z. The FTW is written over SPI-bus from an Arduino. DDS board2 is an ARTIQ

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-02-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There are indeed TCXO’s out there that have exactly the same crystals in them as OCXO’s (other than the cut angle). They are not super common. AT based OCXO’s are not as popular as they once were. Large(r) package / high price TCXO’s also are not what most people go out and buy. All that

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-02-18 Thread Achim Gratz
Joe Hobart writes: > Your accuracy results are impressive. I have questions: > >What manufacture or brand DS3231 do you have? There are two modules you can get easily from the usual places, prices and delivery times vary wildly. The first and larger variant used to be called ZS-042, but now

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

2019-02-18 Thread John Sloan
Here is a write up from when I attended the NIST Time & Frequency Seminar last year (2018). Coincidentally, I had just had a tour of the NIST T facilities a month or two before as part of another event. In the spirit of full disclosure: I’m an embedded software developer who routinely deals with

Re: [time-nuts] Help with Novatel OEM6 external oscillator

2019-02-18 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:32:46 +0100 Magnus Danielson wrote: > > Sounds easy. But, Novatel has four fixed (TCXO, OCXO, rubidium, > > cesium) plus a USER specifications to model the external clock > > performance. Each model specifies three coefficients of the power law > > spectral density (h-2,

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-02-18 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:31:04 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > If you take a look at typical TCXO’s and XO’s in a real world environment, > their noise is higher than a similar > OCXO even at 100 Hz. If you are cleaning up something like a Rb, your loop > may well be below 1Hz. I always assumed,

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting measured PPS values with receiver sawtooth correction values

2019-02-18 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 00:49:58 + Mark Sims wrote: > The two candidates for the F9P are "add current sawtooth" or "subtract > previous sawtooth". I had been favoring "subtract previous" but some more > detailed analysis seems to favor "add current". The difference between the > results of

Re: [time-nuts] AD9912 DDS frequency resolution measurement?

2019-02-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Anders, On 2019-02-18 14:47, Anders Wallin wrote: Hi all, We've tried to measure the 1e9/2**48 = 3.55uHz frequency resolution of an AD9912 DDS (clocked at 1GHz SYSCLK), but found that the output corresponds to an FTW with the LSB set to zero. Results around 10MHz output, where we expect a

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

2019-02-18 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 23:06:36 -0800 "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > > Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? > > Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional > conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver flights > and

Re: [time-nuts] AD9912 DDS frequency resolution measurement?

2019-02-18 Thread Bill Slade
Hi, Are you losing the least significant digit in your frequency measurement? A double precision word has 52 bits of significance+sign, roughly corresponding to 15 decimal places. Adding 3uHz to 1Ghz (or hundreds of MHz) is just about on the limit of generating significance errors due to

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

2019-02-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Over the course of decades, we sent a lot of people to this workshop. It was typical to have a new engineer head out to it after a year or so on the job. I don’t remember any of them coming back saying that they had found it all way past their ability to comprehend. Compared to doing the

[time-nuts] AD9912 DDS frequency resolution measurement?

2019-02-18 Thread Anders Wallin
Hi all, We've tried to measure the 1e9/2**48 = 3.55uHz frequency resolution of an AD9912 DDS (clocked at 1GHz SYSCLK), but found that the output corresponds to an FTW with the LSB set to zero. Results around 10MHz output, where we expect a step of 3.55 uHz for each step of the FTW, but instead see

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

2019-02-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I'm actually debating on whether to attend this or not. I really need to understand a lot of the things related to time and Frequency better, and it looks like this covers pretty much all of the bases. The price, although high, isn't out of the range of expectations for this type of workshop.

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-18 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 10/2/19 11:18 pm, Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems) wrote: > The AC transformer in the 5061A/B was from HPs transformer organization (HP > actually made their own transformers for many years), and whoever designed > the original power system left a lot of "brown out" margin in the system.