[time-nuts] FA2 counter

2019-09-26 Thread Mark Sims
Miy FA2 came in today. A very quick test shows that it works. It does not appear to have the -0.0002 Hz freq measurement bias that the FA1 has. The 0.1 second gate time mode is pretty useless... there appears to be a 300 msec dead time between measurements in 0.1 (and 10 sec) gate time

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha is that (unless you have something very exotic) there *is* no one standard for the lab. You may have a device that is quite good on phase noise at some offsets and horrible for long term. You might have another device that is good medium term and also pretty good for close in

Re: [time-nuts] chrony vs other NTP

2019-09-26 Thread Luiz Paulo Damaceno
I think chrony is better suitable to who wants more customization options, such as faster pooling times, better delay calibrations and advanced filtering settings (i dont know all on Openntpd nor chrony) but with my experience with chrony i can say that chrony is good for my usages. Em qui, 26 de

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If the OCXO only makes it 6x10^-10 past 10 MHz, that’s not enough for the unit to lock properly. 40 Hz tune range looks fine so not a shorted tune line. New best guess would still be an OCXO problem. Swap it out and see what happens. The OCXO’s show up on eBay all the time. Who knows what

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If your OCXO tunes to 10 MHz at -3.5V and it used to tune at +0.5V, it sounds like the tune line is shorted somewhere. That could be inside the OCXO or outside. If the short is “noisy” (and that is not unusual) you aren’t going to get it to lock. You need to figure out where the short is.

Re: [time-nuts] chrony vs other NTP

2019-09-26 Thread Dustin Marquess
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 6:08 PM djl wrote: > > > Any quick opinions re use of chrony vs other NTP implementations? > THANKS > Don It really depends on the use case. chrony seems to pick a "best" source and try really really hard to track that one true source. ntpd tries to intelligently track

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Bill Beam
It looks like since last Oct the osc jumped frequency and has become less stable. This is not unheard of for an ocxo. It may be time to replace with a true Trimble Thunderbolt. A couple are now on ebay for 2-300$. It is possible to replace the ocxo, assuming nothing else is wrong with the

[time-nuts] chrony vs other NTP

2019-09-26 Thread djl
Any quick opinions re use of chrony vs other NTP implementations? THANKS Don -- Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL PO Box 404, Frenchtown, MT, 59834 VOX: 406-626-4304 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] FA2 counter

2019-09-26 Thread djl
Got mine today as well, Bert. Haven't gotten a chance to use it yet, good to know you had positive results. Don On 2019-09-26 11:05, ew via time-nuts wrote: Did receive FA2 counter today. Everything as promised, like the 10 second mode best.Use a Datum 2000 as source 10 MHz in the back 5 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
Bob, et al. First, current line up of timing source:OCXODOCXOEfratom Rb of various kindPRS-10GPSDO of various kindDatum FTS4040/AHP5071A high-performance (DEAD tube) Time measurement gear:HP85132AHP5335AHP5370ATIC My first and at most problem is, I don't know which one to trust and in what

Re: [time-nuts] NTP apps on Windows question

2019-09-26 Thread Paul Theodoropoulos via time-nuts
On 9/25/19 01:19, Martin Burnicki wrote: Paul Theodoropoulos via time-nuts wrote: Only tangentially related, but for keeping a Windows PC synced, I'm rather partial to NetTime. It's a tiny tray app, quite flexible, and otherwise unobtrusive.  It's a freeware app, though donations are

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Roger Rehr W3SZ
Hi All, Sorry I forgot to attach the freq vs DAC voltage table to the email that I just sent: DAC V  Freq +5.0 9.999.961 +0.0 9.999.985 -3.0 9.999.998 -3.5 10.000.000 -3.8 10.000.001 -4.0 10.000.002 -4.5 10.000.004 -5.0 10.000.006 So the oscillator is not

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Roger Rehr W3SZ
Hi Nigel, and Bob, and Bill! Thanks for the notes!  I very much appreciate your helpful comments.  I will give my responses to all of your helpful posts here.  Sorry for the delay in responses.  The reason for the delay is that my Thunderbolt is at a remote site and I can communicate with it

[time-nuts] FA2 counter

2019-09-26 Thread ew via time-nuts
Did receive FA2 counter today. Everything as promised, like the 10 second mode best.Use a Datum 2000 as source 10 MHz in the back 5 MHz in the front reliable +- 1 on the last 12th digit. Bert Kehren ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Didier Juges
I have a number of revisions of the John Vig tutorial in my Manual pages. The most recent was sent to me directly by John but I am not sure if it has the notes. www.ko4bb.com Go to Manuals and search for Vig Didier KO4BB On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:03 AM Chris Caudle wrote: > On Wed, September

[time-nuts] Vig tutorial link at NIST Re: Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread jimlux
On 9/26/19 6:15 AM, Chris Caudle wrote: A very good place to start is searching for John Vig oscillator tutorial. John Vig has a lengthy presentation about all things relating to oscillators, if you can find the version which includes the notes along with the presentation slides you can spend a

Re: [time-nuts] Precision Time Protocol – Windows 10 implementation

2019-09-26 Thread David J Taylor via time-nuts
From: Adam Kumiszcza It will be connected via a short cable (1,5 m or less) to one computer. The second will join much later, I will worry about splitting the signal then. Other computers would be in different rooms, so I would need another time source. My question was rather if stacking another

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Chris Caudle
On Wed, September 25, 2019 5:45 pm, Taka Kamiya via time-nuts wrote: > discussions take place both for GPSDO with Crystal Oscillators and > Rubidium modules.  It appears there are two types of each. > 1)  fixed frequency type (less jitter) > 2)  frequency agile type (more jitter) That is a bit

Re: [time-nuts] NTP apps on Windows question

2019-09-26 Thread David J Taylor via time-nuts
From: Peter Laws I've noticed the same issue (running Meinberg's build of NTP) with the same amateur radio program where the PC is a certain number of seconds off (4 or 6 or so or whatever but on the order of what the OP reported). A restart of NTP "fixes" it. This happens after a cold boot

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
Tom, I know you are absolutely right.  When I buy from eBay, I have no idea where they came from.  Reject pile, junk yard, or pristine clean room.  Unfortunately, I can afford up to certain amount.  I have lots of PRS10 but their origin is unknown.  Even if I buy 5065A, origin will be unknown

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Azelio Boriani
Maybe that "GPS tamed" is literally translated from chinese for "GPS disciplined". It is indeed the disciplining that gives personality to the GPSDO. You can PLLize the OCXO's 10MHz or the PPS derived from the OCXO's 10MHz and see different results on the 10MHz's stability and accuracy. It seems

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
It might be a bit of an over-simplification to split oscillators in those two camps, "fixed" and "agile". There are often many trade-offs in performance that you have to deal with. Moreover if you are getting your oscillators from eBay, or especially parts from China, you may also have to

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I also see terms like GPS tamed or PLL-GPS.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-PLL-GPSDO-10M-GPS-tamed-clocks/263392170249?hash=item3d53659109:g:1p0AAOSwH3haNo7c https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xgps-pll.TRS0&_nkw=gps-pll&_sacat=0 It is not at all