Re: [time-nuts] Phase Detectors/Mixers for DMTD and PN measurements

2019-12-11 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Cross Correlation methods are commonly used with analog mixers. Most of the high end commercial offerings use it (Holzworth, Anapico, Rhohde & Schwarz, etc.) Bruce > On 12 December 2019 at 18:53 Gerhard Hoffmann > wrote: > > > It seems the mixer noise cannot be ignored. > > > I wonder then 

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Detectors/Mixers for DMTD and PN measurements

2019-12-11 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
It seems the mixer noise cannot be ignored. I wonder then  why nobody  takes the mixer to cross correlation land, and maybe even the driver amplifier. The FFT analyzer can do it anyway, a second AF pre amp costs nothing,  and other than that there are only another mixer and 2 power

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Detectors/Mixers for DMTD and PN measurements

2019-12-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
HI For quite a while, the “quick and easy” way to do it has been to run one of the Mini Circuits RPD parts into a > 5K load at audio. You get a nice big output voltage without a lot of crazy effort. Follow it with the highest voltage / lowest noise op amp you can find …. Bob > On Dec 11,

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble 57963

2019-12-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi 5V and even 3.3V OCXO’s are fairly common these days. They show up in the catalog pages of a number of outfits and have for a decade or two. Trimble buys OCXO’s on the open market. They have used several suppliers over the years. The spec’s are indeed unique to Trimble, but by no means

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Detectors/Mixers for DMTD and PN measurements

2019-12-11 Thread Bruce Griffiths
There are a number of NIST papers on this: https://tf.nist.gov/general/publications.htm You can also simulate the effect of a capacitive IF port load. However a capacitive load can also degrade the isolation and RF and LO port mismatch. One can also use diode connected BJTs instead if lower

[time-nuts] Phase Detectors/Mixers for DMTD and PN measurements

2019-12-11 Thread Tobias Pluess
Hi colleagues In parallel to my GPSDO project I am also thinking about a DMTD measurement system which should also be capable of doing phase noise measurements. This will be necessary to measure the stability and phase noise of my own GPSDO. There is the paper from W. J. Riley, "A small DMTD