Re: [time-nuts] Low Phase Noise Amplifiers

2020-01-12 Thread Dana Whitlow
Lifespeed, The cryogenic amplifiers were used in very broadband situations (often hundreds of MHz BW) with "signals" that were basically noise. Most radio astronomy lies in the art of measuring very small *changes *in noise level, such as between pointing at an object of interest or pointing

Re: [time-nuts] 5065A phase-noise

2020-01-12 Thread John Miles
> Now, while these measures is performed not on the oscillator itself but > oscillator and output buffers, unless something is wrong with output > buffers on either box, the output buffer noise seems to support good > enough flicker and white noise to support the output of both > oscillators. Then

Re: [time-nuts] Low Phase Noise Amplifiers

2020-01-12 Thread lifespeed
-Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Dana Whitlow Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:28 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Low Phase Noise Amplifiers FWIW, at the Arecibo Observatory all our cryogenic LNAs had bias stabilized

Re: [time-nuts] Low Phase Noise Amplifiers

2020-01-12 Thread lifespeed
-Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Richard (Rick) Karlquist Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 7:39 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement ; Charles Clark Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Low Phase Noise Amplifiers A VERY long time ago, it was discovered

Re: [time-nuts] Any (relatively) cheap TSIP GPS receivers without WNRO out there?

2020-01-12 Thread Gregory Beat via time-nuts
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Re: [time-nuts] Any (relatively) cheap TSIP GPS receivers without WNRO out there?

2020-01-12 Thread Gregory Beat via time-nuts
Trimble replacement for EOL and WNRO was discussed here on Time-Nuts, five years ago (2015). Heol Designs is the solution. I have the Heol Design N024 GPS receiver in my Datum/Symmetricom/Microsemi TymServe 2100. == Cheap? TSIP drop-in? Relative term ... unless you desire a 19” door stop.

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Advice

2020-01-12 Thread Tom Van Baak
Bob Q, Both of your UCT 108663 oscillators look ok, although the blue plot seems 2x to 3x worse than the red plot. Neither is strongly correlated with temperature. It appears that you're using a GPSDO as a testbed so some of the noise and strange wiggles seen in your plot may be coming from

Re: [time-nuts] The difficulty of low noise measurements

2020-01-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2020-01-12 17:08, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <95f82880-6cec-1885-c59e-046ab7a79...@rubidium.se>, Magnus > Danielson writes: > I have a ham friend that is fairly well into batteries as he needs to for his telecom installations. >>> LVDC people are much

Re: [time-nuts] The difficulty of low noise measurements

2020-01-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <95f82880-6cec-1885-c59e-046ab7a79...@rubidium.se>, Magnus Danielson writes: >>> I have a ham friend that is fairly well into batteries as he needs to >>> for his telecom installations. >> LVDC people are much better at this than UPS people, the latter often >> think that

Re: [time-nuts] Any (relatively) cheap TSIP GPS receivers without WNRO out there?

2020-01-12 Thread Steven Sommars
ntpsec, a fork of the classic NTP distribution, supports an option to compensate for the 1024 week rollover: https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/ntp_conf.html time1 sec Specifies a constant to be added to the time offset produced by the driver, a fixed-point decimal number in seconds. Each "g" on the

Re: [time-nuts] The difficulty of low noise measurements

2020-01-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2020-01-11 21:53, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <643136da-9599-18ca-be85-ffa62ab04...@rubidium.se>, Magnus > Danielson writes: > >>> I have on my ever-growing TODO list to test if serial-BLE adapters >>> are any good. Has anybody tried that yet ? >> My recommendation

Re: [time-nuts] The difficulty of low noise measurements

2020-01-12 Thread Didier Juges
Keep in mind that BLE and "classic" Bluetooth are completely different animals. There is no "serial emulation" with BLE. If you want to use Bluetooth modules to isolate serial traffic, I recommend the JDY-30/31 modules. They are a much improved (and cheaper) version of the HC-05 that you can get

Re: [time-nuts] Any (relatively) cheap TSIP GPS receivers without WNRO out there?

2020-01-12 Thread shouldbe q931
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:55 AM Skip Withrow wrote: > > I have an NTP server that uses a Trimble GPS receiver (Accutime 2000, > p/n - 39091-00, ROM 3.06) that has fallen prey to WNRO. Just > wondering if there are any Trimble (or other brand) receivers that > have TSIP serial comms that are

Re: [time-nuts] Any (relatively) cheap TSIP GPS receivers without WNRO out there?

2020-01-12 Thread Björn
Hi Skip, Are your NTP-server using the Palisade ref clock driver? http://doc.ntp.org/current-stable/drivers/driver29.html If it’s using the event-poll mode you might need a receiver supporting that. I have not seen that outside the Palisade/Accutime family. Can you fudge the time1 all the