[time-nuts] Re: PICDIV stability

2022-01-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
The PIC controllers have gone through a large number of iterations and mask-shrinks over the years and your mileage may vary. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute

[time-nuts] Re: PICDIV stability

2022-01-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Tom The voltage coefficient of delay for a 74AC04 is around -300ps/V so with a tempco of -1.1mV/k for the output of a 7805 this results in an induced delay tempco of around +0.33ps/K for the 74AC04 due to the voltage regulator tempco. The typical propagation delay of the 74AC04 is around 4ns

[time-nuts] Re: PICDIV stability

2022-01-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
All -- The 2012 test results for the T2-mini, which contains a PIC divider chip, is here: http://leapsecond.com/pic/jitter/ It's about 1 ps, or sqrt(2) less because it was comparing two T2-mini against each other with a common reference. Also note that this measurement is the sum total of

[time-nuts] Re: PICDIV stability (was: Crystal oscillator for a begginer)

2022-01-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
That entire thread is full of misinformation and should be ignored unless one understands the difference between random and data dependent jitter. For a well designed divider with a single output frequency only the random jitter spec is significant. One doesn't need a bunch of expensive

[time-nuts] Re: PICDIV stability (was: Crystal oscillator for a begginer)

2022-01-07 Thread Angus via time-nuts
On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 12:40:49 -0800, you wrote: >> The two biggest outside influences on the PICDIV are supply voltage and >> temperature. > >Another interesting influence is the number of outputs that are switching and >the load on them. In particular, if you have several outputs running at

[time-nuts] Re: Crystal oscillator for a begginer

2022-01-07 Thread Hal Murray
> Things like soldering and PCB are things I've heard of... Soldering is pretty basic to low level electronics. If you want to learn soldering, you might see if any of your neighbors can help or if your local community college has a class that fits. Or the local ham radio club... Or the

[time-nuts] Re: PICDIV stability (was: Crystal oscillator for a begginer)

2022-01-07 Thread Hal Murray
> The two biggest outside influences on the PICDIV are supply voltage and > temperature. Another interesting influence is the number of outputs that are switching and the load on them. In particular, if you have several outputs running at different frequencies, the clock-out delay should be

[time-nuts] Re: Crystal oscillator for a begginer

2022-01-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Setting up a bench to measure clock sources can indeed be expensive. eBay is one of the ways to find the gear you need at a semi-rational price. The gotcha there is that the gear may or may not be fully functional. Stuff from folks like TAPR might cost a bit more. The hassle level often makes

[time-nuts] PICDIV stability (was: Crystal oscillator for a begginer)

2022-01-07 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:42:27 -0800 Keelan Lightfoot wrote: > When I read that it uses a only a PIC, I was skeptical, but then when I read > that jitter is in the range of 1 pico second, I was intrigued It is exactly because it is a PIC that the jitter is so low. These tiny PIC are very simple

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-07 Thread radio_minnesota--- via time-nuts
I remember listening to WWV on dads old Blaupunkt. The tubes kept us warm in the Winter. Brad On 1/7/2022 at 3:18 AM, "Bryan _" wrote:, and only after asking those on the "party line" to hang up, only those over 55 would know what I am talking about. -=Bryan=-

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-07 Thread Andy Talbot
And here in the UK, after dialling 123 it was originally "At the third stroke the time will be HH MM and S0 seconds" Later, after privatisation, it became "At the third stroke the time sponsored by Accurist will be HH MM and S0 seconds" I don't know if it still operates on landlines; on my

[time-nuts] Re: Crystal oscillator for a begginer

2022-01-07 Thread Adam Space
> How would you quantify "pretty weak?" You could connect up the components > correctly, but you could not design a circuit from scratch? Or you are > worried you will let the smoke out the first project you start? I just mentioned this to indicate that I have only basic knowledge, as compared

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-07 Thread Bryan _
, and only after asking those on the "party line" to hang up, only those over 55 would know what I am talking about. -=Bryan=- From: Chris Howard Sent: January 6, 2022 6:56 PM To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?