[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Hal Murray
rich...@karlquist.com said: > The tester they used for ADEV consisted of a special 10811 that was 500 Hz > off frequency driving a dual mixer box (Model 10514?) which produced a 500 Hz > beat note, which then drove an ADEV system (model 5490?). Only a few of the > offset 10811's were produced

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/2/22 4:47 PM, Joseph Gwinn wrote: On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:27:06 -0400, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: time-nuts Digest, Vol 216, Issue 3 11. Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought (Richard (Rick) Karlquist) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 19:12:07 -0700 From:

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Joseph Gwinn
On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:27:06 -0400, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: time-nuts Digest, Vol 216, Issue 3 > 11. Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought > (Richard (Rick) Karlquist) > > Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 19:12:07 -0700 > From: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" >

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2022-04-02 Thread Skip Withrow
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[time-nuts] Re: Can one use a two channel TC with an internal reference to measure two independent oscillators to establish the quality of the internal reference?

2022-04-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Usually the best / quick / easy way to evaluate something like a two channel counter is do it with a pair of signals that are independent from each other, but very close to the same frequency. Rb’s are often used, but the technique is not specific to them. You feed a PPS ( or whatever ) from

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Yes, Jim Johnson (who worked for Len Cutler) worked on this hero experiment. IMHO, it was a boondoggle from the get go. BTW, this wasn't Jim's fault. I guess you could blame Len if you needed to. 1. You might think that we had the capability to select 10811's as they came off the line.

[time-nuts] Can one use a two channel TC with an internal reference to measure two independent oscillators to establish the quality of the internal reference?

2022-04-02 Thread Erik Kaashoek
During evaluation of a two channel TC that can measure simultaneously the phase of two external oscillators the need came to understand the quality of the internal reference while eliminating (some) uncertainty of the performance of the two external oscillators. The 3 cornered hat method comes to

[time-nuts] Re: RAGA - was Re: Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Andy Talbot
I have encountered GPS active antennas that are unstable and oscillate, especially when not mounted on a metal backing.One even oscillated occasionally when it did have a ground plane. Because the ceramic patch antenna is narrowband and has a high Q, the spurious oscillation is relatively

[time-nuts] RAGA - was Re: Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/2/22 9:42 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Yes, I believe hp did what you propose in their Santa Clara cesium test lab. It was an ensemble of selected 10811 oscillators tightly phase locked to improve short-term stability and phase noise. Rick might know the details. During a tour I saw the

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/2/22 9:42 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Yes, I believe hp did what you propose in their Santa Clara cesium test lab. It was an ensemble of selected 10811 oscillators tightly phase locked to improve short-term stability and phase noise. Rick might know the details. During a tour I saw the

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Tom Van Baak
Yes, I believe hp did what you propose in their Santa Clara cesium test lab. It was an ensemble of selected 10811 oscillators tightly phase locked to improve short-term stability and phase noise. Rick might know the details. During a tour I saw the instrument rack but was unable to peek

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-02 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/2/22 3:31 AM, Leon Pavlovic wrote: Hello to all, as Gerhard already mentioned, the 1/f data of transistors is really a kind-of black magic stuff and almost never present in the datasheets. Not only that, but it potentially changes from lot to lot. Lately, I've been seeing papers using

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/1/22 2:12 PM, Joseph Gwinn wrote: I'm looking for suggestions for AC-powered 10 MHz sinewave laboratory signal sources with very low phase noise, having a noise floor below -170 dBc/Hz. Rubidium is desired, but not essential. Reliability and durability in lab use is essential. Which

[time-nuts] +1/f of transistors

2022-04-02 Thread Leon Pavlovic
Hello to all, as Gerhard already mentioned, the 1/f data of transistors is really a kind-of black magic stuff and almost never present in the datasheets. But it is very important for the designer of the ultra low-PN crystal oscillators and isolation amplifiers. Manufacturers like Wenzel and

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread ghf
Am 2022-04-02 10:54, schrieb David C. Partridge: If they are all in the same enclosure and powered from the same supply how are you going to prevent injection locking? Or do you want them to injection lock? I have 2 MV89 references in the 19" box that houses my Timepod and a huge switchable

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread Bernd Neubig
Hi, There are several different 19 inch racked variant on the AXTAL website www.axtal.com Best regards Bernd -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Joseph Gwinn [mailto:joegw...@comcast.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 1. April 2022 23:12 An: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Betreff: [time-nuts] Low Phase

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-02 Thread David C. Partridge
If they are all in the same enclosure and powered from the same supply how are you going to prevent injection locking? Or do you want them to injection lock? D. -Original Message- From: g...@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de Sent: 02 April 2022 08:22 To: Discussion of precise time and