[time-nuts] Re: Trimble Thunderbolt question

2022-04-10 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Paul, Take a look at page http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt/photos.htm The fourth pic down in the right column shows the power connector soldered directly to the PCB (upper left edge, by C6). If your power 6 pin header is in the same spot then it is highly probable the pinout is identical.

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-10 Thread ghf
Am 2022-04-10 18:09, schrieb use...@teply.info: On 10.04.22 04:47, g...@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de wrote: Am 2022-04-09 20:35, schrieb Lux, Jim: On 4/9/22 10:03 AM, use...@teply.info wrote: Recently I was discussing some measurement results with my colleagues as we're trying to come up with a

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-10 Thread use...@teply.info
On 10.04.22 11:50, Leon Pavlovic wrote: What would be a (very) good lab setup for the 1/f noise evaluation? I'm talking about BJTs and JFETs. What instrumentation and power supply are needed? How not to measure in a wrong way - like 1/f noise in the instrumentation or the power supply circuitry?

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-10 Thread use...@teply.info
On 10.04.22 04:47, g...@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de wrote: Am 2022-04-09 20:35, schrieb Lux, Jim: On 4/9/22 10:03 AM, use...@teply.info wrote: On 09.04.22 15:31, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: I am seeing a lot of unsupported "theories" about what should be done to make devices with low 1/f no

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-10 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/10/22 2:50 AM, Leon Pavlovic wrote: What would be a (very) good lab setup for the 1/f noise evaluation? I'm talking about BJTs and JFETs. What instrumentation and power supply are needed? How not to measure in a wrong way - like 1/f noise in the instrumentation or the power supply circuitry

[time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt question

2022-04-10 Thread N1BUG
Hi, Long time lurker here, getting ready to upgrade to a Trimble Thunderbolt for my 10 MHz reference. I have a question about the power connector pinout. I acquired a 48051-61 plain PCB presumably requiring +5V, +12V, -12V. I have no documentation. Mine has a 6 pin header, NOT the Molex conne

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi As noted in many posts, 1/F noise is dependent on a number of operating parameters. The first thing to do would be to understand your use case. Testing under one set of conditions may not be useful for use in other conditions. Bob > On Apr 10, 2022, at 5:50 AM, Leon Pavlovic wrote: > > Wha

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-10 Thread ASSI
On Samstag, 9. April 2022 13:38:58 CEST use...@teply.info wrote: > IF the base and emitter doping would be done through ion implantation, > this can create a lot of defects, which act as recombination centres. …as does any other doping technique. The details of what defects are where and whether

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-10 Thread ASSI
On Samstag, 9. April 2022 18:29:11 CEST Lux, Jim wrote: > On 4/9/22 6:31 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > > I am seeing a lot of unsupported "theories" about what should be done > > to make devices with low 1/f noise. It might be instructive for everyone > > to read Marv Keshner's PhD dissert

[time-nuts] Re: +1/f of transistors

2022-04-10 Thread Leon Pavlovic
What would be a (very) good lab setup for the 1/f noise evaluation? I'm talking about BJTs and JFETs. What instrumentation and power supply are needed? How not to measure in a wrong way - like 1/f noise in the instrumentation or the power supply circuitry? Active collector/drain current sources vs