[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread David G. McGaw via time-nuts
With the new 5G hardware, we are seeing all manner of new interference, some of it quite broad-band.  A good antenna with sharp SAW filter may help, but not if the emmisions are in-band. Besides broad-band, there also can be 2nd harmonic emissions that cause interference.  We had this problem

[time-nuts] Re: 4096 PLL - how to switch off on-chip VCO

2022-02-22 Thread David G. McGaw
The part number has been garbled a bit, but the members of the family are 74HC/HCT4046, 74HC/HCT7046 and 74HCT9046, the last one having a significantly better phase detector.  The on-board oscillator should not be a issue, but on the '4046 and '7046, pin 5 held low disables the oscillator.  On

[time-nuts] Re: Garmin GPS 25 Module

2022-02-09 Thread David G. McGaw
I have a number of Garmin GPS35s which are the same engine in a mouse package.  They are still working and do not have the roll-over problem because they can be programmed with the current date and time if need be (I wish Trimble had done this with the Thunderbolts).  The NVRAM can get

[time-nuts] Re: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO

2021-12-27 Thread David G. McGaw
I have a couple of Trimble UCCMs.  They would not come ready unless pin 39 of the 50 pin ribbon connector is grounded.  This selects the 1PPS sync source.  Ground is internal, open is external. 73, David N1HAC On 12/24/21 7:39 AM, Wilko Bulte wrote: hi Francois, That EEVblog thread

[time-nuts] Re: QM10 Quartz chronometer

2021-11-26 Thread David G. McGaw
But not in a chronometer.  They usually use something in the MHz range. 32kHz crystals are not very stable over temperature.  Watches rely on you wearing it for much of the day, keeping it at a nearly constant temperature and putting it on your bed stand at night, also presumably fairly

[time-nuts] Re: Thunderbolts ...

2021-07-20 Thread David G. McGaw
I have been using several versions of the UCCM units (Trimble, Symmetricom and Samsung) with mostly good results, both bare and packaged, as well as having several Thunderbolts.  The one thing that the Bodinar unit has which is nice is the synthesizer built in.  The Thunderbolts and UCCMs do

[time-nuts] Time travel, was Re: Sparkfun lists SA.35m

2021-04-03 Thread David G. McGaw
Speaking of aspirational, for those interested in time travel (that comes under "time nuts", no?  ;-) ) there is this: https://www.oreillyauto.com/flux-500.html David N1HAC On 4/3/21 11:10 AM, David Witten wrote: It seems to be aspirational. It has been on the SparkX page for a long time

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread David G. McGaw
Stamp on the top is 1000 kHz in Russian. David N1HAC On 2/28/21 6:35 PM, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Hi All, I've picked up a couple of old crystals. Mostly because they look neat. They are 1Mhz, in a glass tube. The quartz is ~25mm dia, at about 1 mm thick. Was able to get them to oscillate

Re: [time-nuts] Radio Controlled Clocks

2020-12-27 Thread David G. McGaw
A clock that uses an NMEA stream for its display will be a few hundred milliseconds slow, dependent on the chosen data products and serial baud rate, as NMEA gives the time of the previous second mark. David N1HAC On 12/27/20 9:54 AM, Andy Talbot wrote: I've just had a look around the house,

Re: [time-nuts] "When you google word ..."

2020-10-30 Thread David G. McGaw
I am not sure why they would be discouraged.  We have known of the gravitational red-shift for a while and it is of course part of GPS calculations.  The Mossbauer effect, which involves a very narrow nuclear resonance, was used to demonstrate it in 1959 over a height of 22.5 meters (the

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB/Anthorn Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 195, Issue 27

2020-10-18 Thread David G. McGaw
Note that WWVB is 60kHz, not 65kHz. David N1HAC On 10/18/20 10:35 AM, paul swed wrote: Andre you can add layers of litz wire. You actually have litz wire? Thats hard to find these days. But it most likely will need to be more than a few layers. I would slip to small pieces of cardboard on both

Re: [time-nuts] eLORAN 99600 monitoring at 100 KHz

2020-08-14 Thread David G. McGaw
I had to change from my "Marine Standard" 3 ft whip and preamp to a small loop antenna and high-gain preamp, but am getting the signal in a lot of noise and spherics in NH such that an Austron 2100F is locking.  There is a big difference between 1MW from Nantucket and 75kW from New Jersey!

Re: [time-nuts] eLORAN will be on the air GRI 99600

2020-08-13 Thread David G. McGaw
Hi Paul, Is Wildwood transmitting now or will they be?  I am not seeing anything in NH. Thanks, David N1HAC On 8/5/20 10:00 AM, paul swed wrote: Hello to fellow time nuts. Warm up those old Austrons. eLORAN out of New Jersey has been on the air intermittently prior to a test run next week.

[time-nuts] Austron 2100F/T manual

2020-08-09 Thread David G. McGaw
Would someone be able to send me a PDF of the Austron 2100F manual? I have an F, but would also be interested in looking at the T manual, as well.  Thanks. 73, David N1HAC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] For those following ES100 WWVB receiver modules

2020-07-22 Thread David G. McGaw
The generic WWVB receivers in radio-controlled clocks are essentially TRF receivers using a 60kHz crystal as the tuned element. David N1HAC On 7/22/20 2:26 PM, Hal Murray wrote: tsho...@gmail.com said: I myself did some experimenting with a tuned loop antenna through a 60 kHz crystal

Re: [time-nuts] Just any counter external reference and discipline mode.

2020-07-13 Thread David G. McGaw
I have an 8640B in the lab.   Bizarre instrument. David On 7/13/20 2:57 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 7/13/2020 11:34 AM, jimlux wrote: There are also "frequency locked" devices that are not "phase locked" - they essentially discipline an internal oscillator by adjusting its

Re: [time-nuts] Alfred Loomis - an early time nut

2020-05-12 Thread David G. McGaw
You can watch the PBS American Experience program on him, "The Secret of Tuxedo Park" here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/secret-tuxedo-park/#part01 David N1HAC On 5/12/20 7:56 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Yes, the book about Loomis by Jennet Conant is highly recommended. The

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna splitter recommendation?

2020-04-30 Thread David G. McGaw
I use splitters made for satellite TV with good results, I think. They have response 5 MHz to >2 GHz and pass DC from any of the outputs to the input, so any or all GPS receivers can feed the antenna.  Some cabling can be done with F connectors, or I add adapters as necessary (F to BNC

Re: [time-nuts] HP3588A battery

2020-03-29 Thread David G. McGaw
The service manual says it is a manufacturer's part number T06/46 which is a Saft number and a Google search shows a number of equivalents, including the Tadiran. David N1HAC On 3/29/20 5:35 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Matthew wrote: It looks like I need to replace the battery in my

Re: [time-nuts] Trueposition behavior

2020-03-10 Thread David G. McGaw
I think it would be a dead-band. David N1HAC On 3/10/20 2:41 PM, djl wrote: Is this effectively dither on the control voltage? On 2020-03-10 10:30, Skip Withrow wrote: Hello Time-Nuts, A couple of weeks ago I posted regarding some weird behavior of the Trueposition GPSDO that I was seeing. 

Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday

2020-03-06 Thread David G. McGaw
I still maintain that if people want another hour in the evening, they can get up an hour earlier.  Why do they think they need to change the clocks?  Some people just can't deal with reality and need someone else to make their decisions for them.  OK, I will step off my soapbox now.  :-)

Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

2020-02-04 Thread David G. McGaw
Re: China, I heard a piece on NPR that gave the opinion that the virus would only survive a few hours on a surface.  Anything coming from China should be fine.  We are probably more likely to die from panic.  ;-) David N1HAC On 2/4/20 4:54 AM, Clint Jay wrote: Actinic short wavelength UV

Re: [time-nuts] 15Mhz in 10MHz out?

2019-09-18 Thread David G. McGaw
There are simple circuits that can do a 50% duty cycle /3, then double to 10 MHz and filter.  You can search for Divide by 1.5. David N1HAC On 9/18/19 8:54 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Dual JK flipflop configured as divide by 3 producing a 33% duty cycle 5MHz > output which is filtered to

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap GPSDO with OCXO from aliexpress

2019-09-10 Thread David G. McGaw
The BG7TBL design (that happens to be the designer's ham call sign) is also available on eBay in various versions.  I do have one. Seems to work.  The problem I have with it is that it only outputs NMEA from the GPS receiver.  There is no lock info from the serial port. David N1HAC On 9/10/19

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antennas

2019-09-06 Thread David G. McGaw
Also, as I have found, some plastics don't just delay but actually absorb the signal. David N1HAC On 9/6/19 2:28 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > The gotcha with putting anything on top of a GPS antenna is that it impacts > the phase > shift from the sat’s. How important that is gets quickly into

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages of GNSS ???

2019-07-09 Thread David G. McGaw
Leo - I do believe you mean non-monotonic, rather than non-monotonous. Not being monotonous is a good thing.  :-) David N1HAC On 7/9/19 1:20 PM, Leo Bodnar wrote: > It's not very good, it is highly non-linear and even worse - nonmonotonous. > It sometimes produces runt pulse glitches when you

Re: [time-nuts] Garmin 18x GPS WNRO

2019-04-08 Thread David G. McGaw
I have a number of Garmin GPS-35s and GPS-18s.  In checking before the rollover, some had their RTC still running and one had lost the battery backup.  The ones with the correct date were OK as-is and the other just needed the Nonvolatile Memory updated with the correct date to come back into

Re: [time-nuts] Misuse of word "decimate" (was Re: Short term 10MHz source)

2019-01-10 Thread David G. McGaw
In digital filtering, decimation is a reduction of sample rate, truncation is a reduction of precision.  Interpolation can refer to either of the opposite processes.  The terms downsampling and upsampling can be used to avoid confusion with regards to sample rate.  I am trying to come up with

Re: [time-nuts] Short term 10MHz source

2019-01-02 Thread David G. McGaw
Just inside a window can work for a GPSDO.  One of our labs at Dartmouth has metallic-tinted windows, so for that we hang a little puck antenna just outside.  Not ideal, but it gets signal. David On 1/1/19 11:53 PM, Hal Murray wrote: >> I do realise that the long term stability of the GPSDO

Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2019-01-01 Thread David G. McGaw
It appears Canada tries to match the US to save confusion.  The US changed the dates starting in 2007 (making clocks in earlier systems like VCRs obsolete) and Canada followed suit.  Who knows what Congress will do in the future (abolish DST?  I hope!), so programming a system to be good to

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-04 Thread David G. McGaw
Maybe the link came through the list OK? On 12/4/18 11:16 PM, David G. McGaw wrote: > Sorry about that garbled link.  Blame Dartmouth's over-zealous IT. Just > look for "rtl-sdr direct sampling mode" at rtl-sdr dot com. > > > On 12/4/18 11:09 PM, David G. McGaw wrote: &g

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-04 Thread David G. McGaw
Sorry about that garbled link.  Blame Dartmouth's over-zealous IT. Just look for "rtl-sdr direct sampling mode" at rtl-sdr dot com. On 12/4/18 11:09 PM, David G. McGaw wrote: > Actually, an RTL-SDR can because there is direct access to the ADC > available by soldering to intern

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-04 Thread David G. McGaw
Any of the RSPs from SDRPlay will cover it and they are great units, starting at $109 US.  I am literally using an RSP1A right now. David N1AHC On 12/4/18 9:08 PM, W7SLS wrote: > Hello, > > Great discussion on this and other topics here. > > Just looked up the specs for the SDRPlay RSP2: >

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-04 Thread David G. McGaw
Actually, an RTL-SDR can because there is direct access to the ADC available by soldering to internal pads: www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-direct-sampling-mode/  That will give you 8-bit, 14.4Msps. But as has also been said, a good sound card sampling 24 bits at 192kHz can be used. David N1HAC On

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-04 Thread David G. McGaw
That is the specified jitter. They have also said in communications that it has about 50mS resolution. That is as close as they are willing to say a system can be synchronized with it. Perhaps someone will discover a clever way to enhance that. BTW, I have been told it has also been

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-04 Thread David G. McGaw
As was said, IRQ delay is +/-100 mS from the second edge, hardly what a Time-Nut is looking for. David On 12/4/18 1:07 PM, Hal Murray wrote: >> The one thing I wish is that there were access to the synchronized analog >> signal and/or a 1PPS.  Even a top of the minute would be useful.  It

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-04 Thread David G. McGaw
It does a very good job of pulling the signal out of the noise.  It works in NH, traditionally a fringe region, in all but the most shielded of rooms.  I also had occasion to test it for Everset in Kangerlussuaq, Greenland.  I found it had no trouble acquiring at any time of the day.  If the

Re: [time-nuts] A silly question ...

2018-09-27 Thread David G. McGaw
Correct. David N1HAC On 9/27/18 12:55 PM, Dave B via time-nuts wrote: > ... Because I'm sure I should be able to figure this out for myself! > > I have (as many of you do also) one of the venerable Trimble Thunderbolt > devices.  No problem with that.  All works fine, and is run 24/7, UPS >

Re: [time-nuts] Lots of Off Topic discussion

2018-09-01 Thread David G. McGaw
I consider saving WWV/WWVH/WWVB to be ON topic.  They may not be as precise as some on this list like to achieve, but they are publicly available methods of time dissemination.  I am very concerned that factions of NIST consider that this should no longer be part of their mission. David

Re: [time-nuts] Petition to Maintain WWV, WWVH, WWVB

2018-08-24 Thread David G. McGaw
Unfortunately, this one is inaccurate.  It talks of impact to radio controlled "Atomic Clocks", but does not mention WWVB, only WWV and WWVH. David N1HAC On 8/24/18 3:51 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: There seem to be 2 :