[time-nuts] Re: Should a double oven XO be thermally isolated or just draft protected?

2022-07-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby via time-nuts
place for drafts - right below the air conditioning unit. I will look at moving that. Dave. -- Dr. David Kirkby, Kirkby Microwave Ltd, drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100 Registered in England & Wales, company number

[time-nuts] Re: What's the best HP OCXO for frequency counter reference?

2022-06-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby via time-nuts
On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 at 20:04, Bob kb8tq via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Hi > > The “typical” 10811 struggles when shut down for a while. Once the oven > is turned off, the boards are just sitting there in whatever environment > your > lab provides. Do they soak up humidity or

[time-nuts] What's the best HP OCXO for frequency counter reference?

2022-06-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby via time-nuts
by this time, is it just pot luck? I think it's the latter, but maybe some are double-ovens and some single. With the exception of power cuts of up to a few hours, the HP 10811-60111 I fitted has been continuously powered on for a few years. But due to soaring power costs, I am going to switch my ovens of

[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby via time-nuts
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 17:39, Lux, Jim via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > On the subject of rapid warm up. I suppose if you had a need, one could > dump as much power as you need into the heater. Turn on oscillator, > lights in room dim for a few moments. > Is that not likely

[time-nuts] National Physical Laboratory (NPL) open day in the UK

2022-04-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
. To you guys in the USA or elsewhere, where places like NIST do not have open-days, perhaps you can use the fact NPL does, to get your own national metrology labs to have open-days. Dr David Kirkby Ph.D Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk Web: https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Kirkby Microwave Ltd

[time-nuts] NPL courses on time and frequency measurement

2021-03-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
It looks like NPL are in the process of creating some courses on this. Introduction to Time and Frequency Measurement https://elearning.npl.co.uk/enrol/index.php?id=53 I think I read something on the NPL site to imply that was free, but I can't see that now. Anyway, it's not available yet, but it

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO housings - Why copper and not iron/steel?

2020-10-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
k diamond, which is a form of carbon, is the best thermal conductor, and around 5x better than copper. Dave -- Dr. David Kirkby, Kirkby Microwave Ltd, drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100 Registered in England & Wales, c

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A GPS receiver not locking to GPS

2020-08-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
oubt an 18 s error is going to be significant, but I can reset the time to UTC. Dave. -- Dr. David Kirkby, Kirkby Microwave Ltd, drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100 Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892. Reg

[time-nuts] HP 58503A GPS receiver not locking to GPS

2020-08-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
*16 -- --- MODE Hold *11 -- --- *17 -- --- *12 -- --- 30 71 148 LAT N 51:39:04.128 LON E 0:46:36.375 ELEV MASK 10 deg *attempting to track HGT +46.29 m (MSL) HEALTH MONITOR ...

Re: [time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators

2020-06-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Dr David Kirkby Ph.D C.Eng MIET Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk Web: https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Kirkby Microwave Ltd (Tel 01621-680100 / +44 1621-680100) Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT. On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Tom Van Baak wrote: > About sl

Re: [time-nuts] Stanford University online GPS course

2020-06-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
r texts). > > -aps IIRC there are two profs and both had written text books on GPS. -- Dr. David Kirkby, Kirkby Microwave Ltd, drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100 Registered in England & Wales, company number 0891489

Re: [time-nuts] Is there any way to recover if one messes up serial port on settings on HP GPS receivers?

2020-06-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
a faster serial port speed. Lady Heather gets the time from the GPS receiver once, but then either 1) Windows reports the program is not responding. 2) The clock runs backwards. I thought it might be worth trying different serial port settings. -- Dr. David Kirkby, Kirkby Microwave Ltd, dr

[time-nuts] Is there any way to recover if one messes up serial port on settings on HP GPS receivers?

2020-06-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
My HP 58503A is using the default 9600 8N1 for serial communication. It would be nice to run the connection faster, and there are commands to change the serial port speed, as well as reset the serial port settings to the defaults. What concerns me is that if I try to run the serial port faster,

[time-nuts] Free courses from the National Physical Laboratory (NPL)

2020-05-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
the SI units. I must have watched the video on that ten times before I was confident I had a reasonably good understanding of that. The 40 minutes for the exam was more than enough time. Dave. -- Dr. David Kirkby, Kirkby Microwave Ltd, drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk https

Re: [time-nuts] Beginner's Atomic Clock

2019-09-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
haps there’s is period over which the the overall stability can be improved by adding a rubidium oscillator. I would be interested to know if that is the case or not. Dave > -- Dr. David Kirkby, Kirkby Microwave Ltd, drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Telephone 01621-

[time-nuts] Report about the power outage & frequency shifts in the UK on 9th Au

2019-08-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
/incident_report_lfdd_-_summary_-_final.pdf -- Dr. David Kirkby, ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-15 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
it is usually possible to get prices. Maybe its a case of “if you have to ask the price, then you can’t afford it” Dave -- Dr. David Kirkby, ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: [time-nuts] High accuracy temp controller ckt

2019-07-12 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
nteresting to know if a resistor was worth shipping powered up. Dave. -- Dr. David Kirkby, ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] High accuracy temp controller ckt

2019-07-12 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
f it could run from a few NiMH cells for 48 hours, that would give the option of shipping it. I don't know if that's going over the top, but it would be an interesting exercise. -- Dr David Kirkby Ph.D C.Eng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, CHEL

Re: [time-nuts] High accuracy temp controller ckt

2019-07-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
t should be stable over short time periods to allow it to be used as a transfer standard. But I am seriously considering having another attempt at this, but putting the resistor in an oven. Dave. -- Dr. David Kirkby, ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anyone local to me with an 8.5 digit multimeter?

2019-06-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 17:54, Dr. David Kirkby < drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote: > I'm located in Althorne, Essex (CM3 6DT). I'd like to get a couple of > resistors (10 M and 100 M) measured on an 8.5 digit meter . > I apologise - I posted this to the time-n

[time-nuts] Is there anyone local to me with an 8.5 digit multimeter?

2019-06-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
the resistor on two meters reasonably close in time, should be enough. There are some issues with these data acquisition meters, which impacts their stability. It does not help the fact that there's no S/N on it, so i don't now if it has any particular fault. -- Dr David Kirkby Ph.D C.Eng MIET

Re: [time-nuts] Updating the unit of,time: the second.

2019-05-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I notice a lot of 1 kg weights on eBay, so perhaps the same will happen with Cs clocks! I wonder what fraction of users of cesium clocks are using them because a second is defined the way it currently is? I can’t imagine there will be lots put on the used market, but it would be nice if there were.

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for the hp Standard

2019-03-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
h of older manuals, for equipment one does not own, often bears useful results. -- Dr David Kirkby Ph.D C.Eng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, CHELMSFORD, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom. Registered in England and Wales as company num

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A on eBay WARNING

2019-02-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, 19:03 Hi, > > Wanted to warn about the 5065A that has now sold twice on eBay. (Jan 18 > and Feb 2) When it first listed I contacted the seller and told him the > optical unit was missing (A12) and he should not call it "fully > functional" Anyway he sold it for his asking

[time-nuts] Size of hex (?) screw in knobs of 5370B time-interval counter

2018-11-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
the correct size. Dave, G8WRB. -- Dr David Kirkby Ph.D C.Eng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, CHELMSFORD, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom. Registered in England and Wales as company number 08914892 https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Tel 01621

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503B PSU replacement

2018-11-09 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
hOn Fri, 9 Nov 2018, 13:49 George Atkinson via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote: > Hi Dave, > Thanks for the info. I've already built the analogue supply and it's > working fine. It's interesting that even that 55W supply is operating near > it's -15V limit with the 58503A and the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503B PSU replacement

2018-11-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Thu, 8 Nov 2018, 14:53 George Atkinson via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote: > Last month I was at the UK “National” hamfest and in the flea market area > a seller had a HP 58503B for sale. It was missing the cover and power > supply (AC mains version)including mounting. However it

Re: [time-nuts] Racal Dana 9478 frequency distribution system with option 04B high stability oven (5x10^-10/day aging rate).

2018-11-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Sun, 4 Nov 2018, 11:51 David C. Partridge FWIW it is trivial to modify these video distribution amps for 50 ohm > output - you just need to change the output resistors form 75 ohm to 50 ohm > on the board after the op-amp. > > David > Three was a discussion about the particular video amplifier

Re: [time-nuts] How can I measure time-delay of a cable with HP 5370B time-interval counter?

2018-10-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 09:43, Tom Van Baak wrote: > David, > > Just to see if your setup is working: > > 1) Set the pulse generator to as fast a risetime as possible; ns or less. > Use a low pulse rate (100 Hz is fine). > Unfortunately, I don't have such a pulse generator, so I can't run that

[time-nuts] How can I measure time-delay of a cable with HP 5370B time-interval counter?

2018-10-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Hz reference, but I somewhat doubt that is the cause of these issues. I must be missing something, but I'm not sure what it is. -- Dr David Kirkby Ph.D C.Eng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, CHELMSFORD, Essex, CM3 6DT, United K

Re: [time-nuts] Lost GPS lock or 1PPS recently?

2018-09-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, 18:35 John Sloan, wrote: > Folks: > > > > Yesterday (2018-09-03) afternoon (about 22:00UTC, 16:00MDT) I noticed one > of my three home-made GPS-disciplined NTP servers had lost its GPS lock. > After some forensics on my part, this (2018-09-04) morning (about 16:00UTC, >

Re: [time-nuts] law and regulation applying to time.. was Re: OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
ld be £12/pound. When it comes to time (the subject of this list), I'm not sure where the UK stands legally. I will ask on the newgroup uk.legal.moderated https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/uk.legal.moderated which is visited by solicitors, students of law, and people wanting legal advic