Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-20 Thread Michael Wouters
t; >> >> >> >> On 3/18/2019 1:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:26:55 -0400 >> > From: Bob kb8tq >> > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurem

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-20 Thread Michael Wouters
good enough to compare them to...) > > Thanks! > Dan > > > > > On 3/18/2019 1:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:26:55 -0400 > > From: Bob kb8tq > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measure

[time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Mark Sims
Lady Heather can output RINEX (v2.xx and 3.xx files) for most receivers that output pseudorange and/or carrier phase data. I have tested it with the Ublox 4T, 5T, 6T, 8T, F9P, and F9T receivers. Also the Venus RTK receivers, Trimble NetRS, Ashtech Z12,, NVS08, Trimble timing receivers, and

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Michael Wouters
be > interesting to compare a 6T or M8 part to the F9P. (I lack a standard good > enough to compare them to...) > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > On 3/18/2019 1:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: > >> Message

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi You can access an “NTRIP stream” from various free sites. There is some mumbo jumbo on some of them to get an account. There are streams dedicated to “clock and orbit correction”. CLK11 and CLK93 are two fairly common ones. Since NTRIP is a real time product (as in < 30 seconds delay) it can

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
r 2019 12:26:55 -0400 >> From: Bob kb8tq >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble >> Message-ID:<88460ea2-6034-48d1-a77a-fed1f824d...@n1k.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=ut

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Dan Kemppainen
to the F9P. (I lack a standard good enough to compare them to...) Thanks! Dan On 3/18/2019 1:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:26:55 -0400 From: Bob kb8tq To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Tim Lister
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 8:03 AM Rodger via time-nuts wrote: > > Tom, > > Thanks for the explanation of clock ensembles. That answered a few > questions I've had for a while. > Regarding your comments on collecting raw time data from GPS and post > processing it. Can you provide any reference

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Michael Wouters
This project www.openttp.org provides software for post-processing of raw data for time-transfer from some currently available single frequency receivers. It provides CGGTTS and RINEX, the latter for use with the various PPP services. There are some tools in there too for doing eg common view and

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Anders Wallin
If you search for "GNSS time transfer" you will find a lot of papers etc. For example these might get you started: https://www.bipm.org/ws/CCTF/TAI_TRAINING/Allowed/Fundamentals/Training-2012-GNSS-Defraigne.pdf https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=7909843 I tried to collect some

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
techniques > involved to improve GPS position data, but hadn't thought about it as much > for timing. > > Thanks, > > Rodger > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:00 PM > To: Discussion of precise t

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-18 Thread Rodger via time-nuts
: Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:00 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble > Hi Everyone,I like to know if it possible to run let say 10 GPSDO, 16 > Rb clock together and take the average to control 1 "master clock" and have

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-17 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 10:58:49 -0400 Bob kb8tq wrote: > The first thing you need (after all the standards) is a way to do precision > comparisons of all your devices. There are an infinite number of ways to do > this. Let’s say you buy 26 TICC’s to do the job ( TAPPR needs 25 ordered to > get the

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-17 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Hi Everyone,I like to know if it possible to run let say 10 GPSDO, 16 Rb clock > together and take the average to control 1 "master clock" and have better > stability ? > like what BIPM or NIST doing. > I have search about ensemble system but I have no idea how much advantage > I get from some

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Just a couple of other measurement options on top of Bob's excellent description. You could half the number of TICCs by using them in timestamp mode with a common 10 MHz clock serving as the reference -- in that mode you can do two simultaneous measurements with each TICC. There are some

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-17 Thread paul swed
Anton Others will reply but my sense is that there is little advantage in doing that. Assuming everything is the same in all 10 systems then you would be measuring the receiver behaviors at a given moment. I simply am unclear that there is an advantage. Regards Paul. On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 11:00

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-17 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The answer is (of course) yes. The somewhat more detailed answer is that it actually is a practical basement sort of thing *if* you have the space. I was headed off to do this and changed course. That’s just my lack of focus rather than it being an un-doable sort of thing. What’s below is

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-17 Thread Mike Cook
> Le 17 mars 2019 à 02:16, Anton Moehammad via time-nuts > a écrit : > > Hi Everyone,I like to know if it possible to run let say 10 GPSDO, 16 Rb > clock together and take the average to control 1 "master clock" and have > better stability ?like what BIPM or NIST doing. I think the answer

[time-nuts] Frequency Ensemble

2019-03-16 Thread Anton Moehammad via time-nuts
Hi Everyone,I like to know if it possible to run let say 10 GPSDO, 16 Rb clock together and take the average to control 1 "master clock" and have better stability ?like what BIPM or NIST doing. I have search about ensemble system but I have no idea how much advantage I get from some clock that