[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi This is one of those classic examples of what marketing writes and what (once the beer is poured) engineering actually knows. If you dive into the grubby details of the filtering. Been there / done that with a number of these guys. It’s very much *not* set up for GPS. The hanging bridge

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-18 Thread Dana Whitlow
Bob, I seem to remember reading in the manual on the PRS-10 where they expounded at length about how they took great pains to make the unit work well with typical noisy GPS PPS input. I'm using a CNS Clock II as my primary GPSDO, checking phase slippage with respect to my PRS-10 to make decisions

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: > The 'filter' in the PRS-10 is not really set up for a GPS sort of signal. It is particularly bad at handling GPS's because of the "hanging bridge" phenomena, and the better the GPS, the worse the result... I tried injecting the "negative sawtooth" via the serial

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The 5 Hz (or whatever) switching and the hump definitely both originate in the same “feature” of the design. Does disabling the switching nuke the hump? If one has a PRS-10 I’d say it’s well worth trying. The “filter” in the PRS-10 is not really set up for a GPS sort of signal. It’s

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Dana Whitlow writes: > You did not really answer the basic question: "Does the 2.5 Hz > (or 5 Hz if applicable) C-field reversal cause the 2-sec bump in > the ADEV plot for the PRS-10?". I cannot answer that question as stated. My PRS10 died years ago, all I can say is that when I

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-18 Thread Dana Whitlow
Poul, You did not really answer the basic question: "Does the 2.5 Hz (or 5 Hz if applicable) C-field reversal cause the 2-sec bump in the ADEV plot for the PRS-10?". BTW, some radio hams are involved with microwave and even MMW communications between mobile stations, and I'd bet they benefit

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Matt Huszagh writes: > "Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: > > > The PRS-10 switches the polarity of the C-field solenoid at 5Hz to > > cancel out varying external magnetic fields. > > > > If that is not a concern for you, for instance because you use it > > in a stationary application, it can

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-17 Thread Matt Huszagh
"Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: > The PRS-10 switches the polarity of the C-field solenoid at 5Hz to > cancel out varying external magnetic fields. > > If that is not a concern for you, for instance because you use it > in a stationary application, it can be disabled with the "MS0" command. > > It's

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Dana Whitlow writes: > But if you can stand the ADEV hump around 2 sec, the PRS-10 is delightful. The PRS-10 switches the polarity of the C-field solenoid at 5Hz to cancel out varying external magnetic fields. If that is not a concern for you, for instance because you use it in a

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-17 Thread Brooke Clarke via time-nuts
Hi Dana: My PRS10 is a couple decades old and I use it in the 1PPS locking mode.  But that may not have been the default.  Maybe the surplus units just need the correct jumper change. https://prc68.com/I/PRS10.shtml -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke https://www.PRC68.com axioms: 1. The extent to

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-17 Thread Matt Huszagh
Dana Whitlow writes: > But if you can stand the ADEV hump around 2 sec, the PRS-10 is delightful. > > BTW, the ordinary factory new PRS-10 does provide for direct locking to 1 > PPS, > but many of the available surplus units had that feature removed. Tne new > PRS-10's sold for years for $1595,

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-17 Thread Dana Whitlow
But if you can stand the ADEV hump around 2 sec, the PRS-10 is delightful. BTW, the ordinary factory new PRS-10 does provide for direct locking to 1 PPS, but many of the available surplus units had that feature removed. Tne new PRS-10's sold for years for $1595, but I see that it has gone up to

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-17 Thread Matt Huszagh
Bob kb8tq writes: > I have a 740 as do others on the list. The big gotcha is the OCXO in the > device. > It has various quirks that limit the performance of the device. The ADEV plot > they > show for the OCXO is a “sometimes / maybe / might” sort of thing. One of the > “get to it eventually”

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-17 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi In this case it’s not thermal. I’ve tested a ton of parts in the same environment ( maybe not 2,000 pounds but several hundred OCXO’s ). The PRS-10 gives you that hump at 2 seconds no matter what you do. It’s part of the basic design of the unit …. Bob > On Nov 17, 2021, at 10:16 AM,

[time-nuts] Re: FS740 Thoughts?

2021-11-17 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi I have a 740 as do others on the list. The big gotcha is the OCXO in the device. It has various quirks that limit the performance of the device. The ADEV plot they show for the OCXO is a “sometimes / maybe / might” sort of thing. One of the “get to it eventually” projects here is to see if