[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-27 Thread Joseph Gwinn
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[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Dana Whitlow
Just to be clear, the shift has to be in phase, not time per se. A 90 deg phase shifter based on a constant delay will not work well at other frequencies. That's why phasing-type SSB exciters got so messy in the audio phase splitter department (in the old days). Nowadays with digital processing,

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Graham / KE9H
I think Dana's explanation is a much clearer way to think of what is going on in an I-Q receiver. Until you are really far down the signal chain, at the demodulator, where you might process the I and Q signals differently, there is no 'splitting' or division of the signal into I and Q. The signal

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Dana Whitlow
Hi Jim, I think the best way is to view the signal as a phasor, with any noise present adding a random trajectory (a fuzzball) to the tip of the signal vector. Conceptually speaking, this eliminates needing to worry about the distribution of power between I & Q, etc. It lets you view the whole

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Lux, Jim writes: >I'm looking for a simplified treatment of the uncertainty of I/Q >measurements.  Say you've got some input signal with a given SNR and you >run it into a I/Q demodulator - you get a series of I and Q measurements >(which might, later, be turned into mag and phase). >

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Tom Holmes
of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: [time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements HI Jim... >From my admittedly limited understanding of IQ demodulators, the first thing >done is to split the signal power (signal, noise, and all) evenly between two paths, which then i

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Once you get things down to baseband, you (likely) shove the I and Q into some sort of arc tangent math. Depending on just how you do that math, there can be some bumps in the road. It’s implementation dependent so I don’t know of a “generic” answer. I’m not all knowing so there may be one

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Tom Holmes
HI Jim... >From my admittedly limited understanding of IQ demodulators, the first thing >done is to split the signal power (signal, noise, and all) evenly between two >paths, which then ideally feed identical double balanced mixers (I'm thinking >of a hardware implementation, obviously) whose