Re: [time-nuts] Sawtooth correction

2019-07-11 Thread Art Sepin
Hi, We have a TM1 Eval Kit with User's Guide. It has not been powered on for about 13 years. We'll check it out this week to see if it's operational. Art -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Jerry via time-nuts Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 9:03 PM To:

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages of GNSS ???

2019-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Jul 11, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Leo Bodnar wrote: > >> Well part of it comes from designing, testing, and manufacturing a few >> thousand OCXO designs over the years. We likely built 10’s of millions of >> OCXO’s over the time I was doing / managing that. > It might be just my personal

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt E

2019-07-11 Thread Chris Burford
I'm on the fence on purchasing a new Thunderbolt E from Trimble and wanted to hear from current or past owners. I have a couple of the eBay x-telecom patchwork quilt GPSDO units which seem to do an OK job. Is there anything else besides a warranty and better performance specs that the

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser, and Mercury Stored-Ion Clocks

2019-07-11 Thread Demetrios Matsakis via time-nuts
For what it’s worth, the mercury ion clocks were shipped to the US Naval Observatory. HP shortly thereafter did a market survey and concluded there was not enough profit in it. They did allow Len and Robin to give short-answer support, and the project fell to me. I found the clocks were

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages of GNSS ???

2019-07-11 Thread Leo Bodnar
Hello, Why would you not want high drive level for best close-in noise? This is at odds with general thinking in the industry. Close-in in this context means from 0.1Hz to 1/f knee which is 1-100kHz depending on the design of the sustaining amplifier. There are few reasons why low phase noise

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages of GNSS ???

2019-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Well part of it comes from designing, testing, and manufacturing a few thousand OCXO designs over the years. We likely built 10’s of millions of OCXO’s over the time I was doing / managing that. > On Jul 11, 2019, at 3:56 AM, Leo Bodnar wrote: > > Hello, / > > Why would you not want

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages of GNSS ???

2019-07-11 Thread Leo Bodnar
> Well part of it comes from designing, testing, and manufacturing a few > thousand OCXO designs over the years. We likely built 10’s of millions of > OCXO’s over the time I was doing / managing that. It might be just my personal opinion but credential swinging is better left out of technical

Re: [time-nuts] verifying synchronization with PPS

2019-07-11 Thread Gabs Ricalde
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:00 PM folkert wrote: > > > Folkert van Heusden has a driver for NTP which includes PPS output: > > https://vanheusden.com/time/rpi_gpio_ntp/ > > Perhaps this might help? > > Indeed I did! :-) > > But please note that the jitter is high, iirc around 18ms. > Personally I

Re: [time-nuts] Sawtooth correction

2019-07-11 Thread Azelio Boriani
>From the block diagram of the TM3-02 I can say that it is like the TBolt, it has the disciplined oscillator in the receive chain so no need to correct for the sawtooth. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 7:14 AM Jerry via time-nuts wrote: > > Recent postings on 'sawtooth' hardware correction; several

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A standard docs

2019-07-11 Thread paul swed
The URQ 10 was a reference that drove a distribution system that then provided the receivers and transmitters with a very stable reference. These were used with the T827 and R1051 synthesized radios. If the radio was off by 1 hz something was wrong. If the signal wasn't heard it wasn't there. Not

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt E

2019-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There is nothing on the spec sheet that leaps out as “obviously better” than the T-Bolt’s that we all know and love. Indeed you *will* get support, a warranty, and a unit that has 10 to 20 years less wear and tear. Bob > On Jul 11, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Chris Burford wrote: > > I'm on the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt E

2019-07-11 Thread Steve65
I'm not going to buy one, but . . . what does a new-from-Trimble Thunderbolt E cost? Steve, K8JQ On 7/11/2019 6:06 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi There is nothing on the spec sheet that leaps out as “obviously better” than the T-Bolt’s that we all know and love. Indeed you *will* get support, a

Re: [time-nuts] High accuracy temp controller ckt

2019-07-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Thanks Perry for that offer. I think the PDF is available several places on the web, including the author's own website: https://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/publist/tempcontroller.pdf In addition there's a "comment on" the paper here:

Re: [time-nuts] High accuracy temp controller ckt

2019-07-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 at 06:03, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Yo Bubba Dudes!, > This may not be too germain to the present discussion of temperature > controllers but if anyone is interested I have a PDF copy of: > A versatile thermoelectric temperature