Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps Accuracy in two locations

2020-01-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2020-01-15 23:34, Attila Kinali wrote: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:40:34 - > wrote: > >> I'm always being asked to provide equipment that can produce two 1 pps >> outputs aligned to each other to within a few ps. >> >> These two 1 pps pulses are not in the same location and could be 100

Re: [time-nuts] Microstepper

2020-01-16 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Anders, On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:58:30 +0200 Anders Wallin wrote: > The obvious way to increase resolution (make the smallest frequency step > smaller) is to lower the IF. > I guess the limit is that we don't want the IF to feed-thru the > phase-detector and PLL all the way to a PN-spur in

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Detectors/Mixers for DMTD and PN measurements

2020-01-16 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 06:53:41 +0100 Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > It seems the mixer noise cannot be ignored. > > I wonder then  why nobody  takes the mixer to cross correlation land, > and maybe even the driver amplifier. Mostly because it doesn't do as much as you think it does. If you want to

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Detectors/Mixers for DMTD and PN measurements

2020-01-16 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Jan 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 06:53:41 +0100 > Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > >> It seems the mixer noise cannot be ignored. >> >> I wonder then why nobody takes the mixer to cross correlation land, >> and maybe even the driver amplifier. > >

Re: [time-nuts] thunerbolt, 2 problems

2020-01-16 Thread Bill Beam
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 23:32:34 -0600, Brian Lloyd wrote: >On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:20 PM Bill Beam wrote: >> Brian, >> LH can do this. Issue the command "p" to bring up the PPS control menu. >> >Thank you. LH does so much but finding the right command is a challenge. In LH Issue the command

Re: [time-nuts] thunerbolt, 2 problems

2020-01-16 Thread Bill Beam
Brian, LH can do this. Issue the command "p" to bring up the PPS control menu. On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:44:43 -0600, Brian Lloyd wrote: >After quite some time I dragged out my Tbolt and fired it up. Comes up >OK. Lady Heather is happy. 10MHz is spot on (after an hour or so). >Problem is, 1pps is

Re: [time-nuts] thunerbolt, 2 problems

2020-01-16 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:20 PM Bill Beam wrote: > Brian, > LH can do this. Issue the command "p" to bring up the PPS control menu. > Thank you. LH does so much but finding the right command is a challenge. I did finally find a copy of tboltmon.exe. That and LH both report that 1pps is turned

[time-nuts] thunerbolt, 2 problems

2020-01-16 Thread Brian Lloyd
After quite some time I dragged out my Tbolt and fired it up. Comes up OK. Lady Heather is happy. 10MHz is spot on (after an hour or so). Problem is, 1pps is missing. 1pps is enabled (or appears to be). Suggestions? I am running Trimble Visual Timing Studio 2.03.12. It seems to know about the

Re: [time-nuts] Another hydrogen maser success story

2020-01-16 Thread paul swed
Great write up and than you for sharing Regards Paul. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:42 PM Skip Withrow wrote: > Congratulations to Magnus on his new toy. > > I would like to relate my recent hydrogen maser experience. Hope you > enjoy the story. > > Probably about a year ago I was introduced to

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps Accuracy in two locations

2020-01-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bruce, All those numbers is typical of 1310 nm laser, as there is a dispersion zero in the 1310 nm window, but the downside is significant damping. In the 1550 nm window you have lower damping, so you can run a factor of 10 times longer roughly with the same power. 1310 is only used for

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps Accuracy in two locations

2020-01-16 Thread Bruce Griffiths
PSOF fiber has a much lower tempco: https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/p01/PAPERS/MPPH011.PDF Bruce > On 17 January 2020 at 00:08 Bruce Griffiths > wrote: > > > Except for some low tempco single mode fibers the delay tempco is on the > order of 10ppm/K: >

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps Accuracy in two locations

2020-01-16 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Except for some low tempco single mode fibers the delay tempco is on the order of 10ppm/K: https://library.nrao.edu/public/memos/edtn/EDTN_168.pdf Bruce > On 16 January 2020 at 23:29 Magnus Danielson wrote: > > > Hi, > > On 2020-01-15 23:34, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2019