Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Backing up a bit ….. The WWVB modulation is *very* predictable. Once you have lock, you can guess just about every phase reversal you will see. If you have an “approximate lock” ( = a time pre-load that is within a few seconds) you can guess a lot of them. (There were a few aux data bits

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-31 Thread paul swed
Ray Yes you have it correct. The flipper is bidirectional. It either adds flips or removes them. It does read the nema second per minute in the 59th second. Then depends on the 1 pps for an accurate phase flip. The flip is 100 ms into the second and by propagation delay to the east 5-7ms. Though

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: > It also *very* much depends on the stability of your local reference and the > stability of the ionosphere. Unless both are 'pretty darn good' a hundred > second > integration is utter nonsense This is why Loran-C was so superior to any and all CW based

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-31 Thread jimlux
On 7/31/20 11:25 AM, Scud West wrote: Back in December 2018 there was a WWVB thread. From Poul-Henning's post on 2018-12-05 quoting John N8UR: "While everyone's been talking :-) , I recorded some WWVB IQ data for folks to play with. You can download it from http://febo.com/pages/wwvb/ The

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-31 Thread Scud West
The coloring is from matplotlib. Sometimes I forget what's what. I'm really not using pandas for much here. Most of the code in plotting a minute of data is in making it look fancy. import numpy as np import matplotlib.pyplot as plt import matplotlib.ticker as tkr import matplotlib.mlab as

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: >The WWVB modulation is *very* predictable. Once you have lock, >you can guess just about every phase reversal you will see. >[...] >The point of this being that you *could* pre-flip the data before it >went into a buffer. That way the buffer integration time constant

[time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-07-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
The A15 board in one of my 5065s is in bad shape, and I have started to look at designing a plug-compatible replacement board. The main reason I dont just repair/replace the A15 is that I want to find out how much instability the PSU contributes. The outline idea currently is: LM399

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi It also *very* much depends on the stability of your local reference and the stability of the ionosphere. Unless both are “pretty darn good” a hundred second integration is utter nonsense Bob > On Jul 31, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > Bob kb8tq writes: > >>

Re: [time-nuts] sub harmonic VCO locking

2020-07-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:56:42 +1000 glen english LIST wrote: > - a double-double-double could work, but my experience is for x2 x2 x2 I > really need to filter well at each stage to avoid sum and difference > products.. which might be OK for this application , especially if I > filter really