Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 14:05:52 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > Does anybody have a handy formula for the spurs given the parameters for a > DDS? I think, you are looking for [1] and [2]. But please note, that both phase truncation and DAC non-linearity spurs can be reduced by the right use of

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
In principle DDS spurs due to phase truncation can be largely suppressed using well known techniques when an FPGA is used just leaving spurs due to the DAC. Bruce > On 25 June 2018 at 06:00 Attila Kinali mailto:att...@kinali.ch > wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 17:29:43 + >

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Hal Murray
Poul-Henning Kamp said: > That's one of the reason I went with Bo's DDS (32bit0 instead of the eBay > modules (20-24 bit). Higher resolution mitigates the spur problem at least a > little bit. I think it also moves the spurs closer in. But maybe if they are small enough they get lost in the

[time-nuts] NIST Tour and Time & Frequency Seminar

2018-06-24 Thread John Sloan
This summer, somewhat coincidentally, I got to take a tour of some of the NIST Time and Frequency Division, rode my motorcycle up to Fort Collins to see the WWVB antennas, and attended the NIST 43rd Annual Time & Frequency Seminar. I wrote a couple of blog articles with my notes and

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Bob kb8tq writes: >The result can be a very close in spur ( like << 1 Hz) that really rips up >your ADEV since it passes through all the cleanup PLL’s …. Indeed. That's one of the reason I went with Bo's DDS (32bit0 instead of the eBay modules (20-24 bit). Higher

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps Sync'ing

2018-06-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi You can indeed do this, the question is - do you *really* want to? Depending a bit on your GPS module, the 1 pps output can jump around a few nanoseconds on a second to second basis. Keeping the 100 MH edge locked implies modulating the 100 MHz by at least a few ppb at some rate faster

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi One of the things I’ve run into doing Rb’s this way is that the spurs out of the DDS are not always the same device to device. They also change a lot with small tuning changes. The result can be a very close in spur ( like << 1 Hz) that really rips up your ADEV since it passes through all

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:06:17 +0200 Attila Kinali wrote: > Oops... I just realized that the mixer part number is wrong. > it should be LTC5599 instead of LTC5598. Or not... please ignore me.. I seem to be confused. Attila Kinalie -- It is upon moral qualities that a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:00:22 +0200 Attila Kinali wrote: > Attached is the page of my notebook with the schematic of the idea. Oops... I just realized that the mixer part number is wrong. it should be LTC5599 instead of LTC5598. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , cdel...@juno.com writes: >I've repaired a few 5065A A1 synthesizer modules recently and lets just >say that they are not my favorite repair! None of my two 5065A's have particular good A1's, so I don't know what the baseline performance should be like. I have been playing

[time-nuts] DC-XL GPS STARTUP FIX

2018-06-24 Thread Scott McGrath
Does anyone recall off hand the GPS EPOCH startup fix for the DC-XL I’m away from lab and notes trying to get one running for a friend. As I recall it was on the order of func 12. F96 But with these units you dont want to be entering random data via keypad Content by Scott Typos by Siri