Re: [time-nuts] How can I measure time-delay of a cable with HP 5370B time-interval counter?

2018-10-28 Thread Dana Whitlow
If you can get access to a 2-channel 'scope, try it instead of a TIC so you can get some clue as to what's happening. I suspect that one component of the problem is that the supposedly Hi-Z input of the counter really isn't but has a stub of unterminated cable between the input connector and

Re: [time-nuts] How can I measure time-delay of a cable with HP 5370B time-interval counter?

2018-10-28 Thread Orin Eman
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:31 PM Hal Murray wrote: > > drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk said: > > I'm feeding a sine wave from a Stanford Research DS345 30 MHz function > > Are the levels set so it triggers at the same point? It doesn't look like > it > in your photo. > > Looks like you are

Re: [time-nuts] How can I measure time-delay of a cable with HP 5370B time-interval counter?

2018-10-28 Thread Hal Murray
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk said: > I'm feeding a sine wave from a Stanford Research DS345 30 MHz function Are the levels set so it triggers at the same point? It doesn't look like it in your photo. Looks like you are running at 1 MHz. If the stop trigger is a little lower/earlier than

Re: [time-nuts] How can I measure time-delay of a cable with HP 5370B time-interval counter?

2018-10-28 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
I suspect it's triggering or aliasing issues if you're using high frequency sine waves.  The canonical way to do that measurement is with a fast-rise-time edge at PPS sorts of rates.  And you'd normally use a common reference to reduce the number of variables. John On Oct 28, 2018, 8:51 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] How can I measure time-delay of a cable with HP 5370B time-interval counter?

2018-10-28 Thread Bob Bownes
Have you tried with just a single pulse? > On Oct 28, 2018, at 20:49, Dr. David Kirkby > wrote: > > I'm trying to do something which would seem conceptually easy, but I'm > getting results I can't understand. I wish to measure the delay (in > seconds) of a bit of length of coaxial cable. >

[time-nuts] How can I measure time-delay of a cable with HP 5370B time-interval counter?

2018-10-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I'm trying to do something which would seem conceptually easy, but I'm getting results I can't understand. I wish to measure the delay (in seconds) of a bit of length of coaxial cable. I'm feeding a sine wave from a Stanford Research DS345 30 MHz function generator via a coax to the START input

Re: [time-nuts] Question about noisetypes and ADEV

2018-10-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hej Anders! On 10/28/18 1:14 PM, Anders Wallin wrote: > I made a revised figure with a few improvements: > - the PSDs now cross at 1Hz > - the theoretical ADEV/MDEV pre-factors are now explicitly stated > http://www.anderswallin.net/2018/10/noise-colours-again/ > source: >

[time-nuts] TruePosition on the Arduino

2018-10-28 Thread Ben Hall
Good morning all, Some people may remember the Arduino code I wrote for controlling and monitoring the TruePosition GPSDO I wrote in mid-2017. I've updated that code to include a couple of new things: * now gets the store LAT/LONG/ALT and displays it * adds an LED that lights up when STAT=0

Re: [time-nuts] Question about noisetypes and ADEV

2018-10-28 Thread Anders Wallin
I made a revised figure with a few improvements: - the PSDs now cross at 1Hz - the theoretical ADEV/MDEV pre-factors are now explicitly stated http://www.anderswallin.net/2018/10/noise-colours-again/ source: https://github.com/aewallin/colorednoise/blob/master/example_noise_slopes2.py I forget

Re: [time-nuts] Question about noisetypes and ADEV

2018-10-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hej Ole! On 10/28/18 9:19 AM, Ole Petter Ronningen wrote: > Hi, Magnus! > > Thank you for this! I am of course nowhere near really comprehending it > from reading it a couple of times, but I will still show my ignorance by > asking a couple of questions with respect to the power law noise table.

Re: [time-nuts] Question about noisetypes and ADEV

2018-10-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Ole Petter Ronningen writes: >1. I notice the formulas for ADEV is different for W PM and F PM - ADEV >does not distinguish between the two, as is pointed out in the article. When we say ADEV does not distinguish those, we mean that the slope of the ADEV with respect to

Re: [time-nuts] Question about noisetypes and ADEV

2018-10-28 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Hi, Magnus! Thank you for this! I am of course nowhere near really comprehending it from reading it a couple of times, but I will still show my ignorance by asking a couple of questions with respect to the power law noise table. Counting on your day being still non-grumpy.. :D 1. I notice the

Re: [time-nuts] Question about noisetypes and ADEV

2018-10-28 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Hi, Tom! I have looked at the pages you link to many times, they really are very good - my goal here was to get down to the nitty-gritty myself, just understand the details better. Regarding possible bias in the Excel RNG, this was my first hunch as well, but when I repeated the experiment with