Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2018-12-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Go indoors in the basement inside an inner room. You can at some times of day get WWVB. With a normal building, GPS isn’t going to make it. Even if it does, the signals will be degraded enough that you will have a tough time using in. Bob > On Dec 31, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Wayne Holder

Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2018-12-31 Thread Wayne Holder
> If you are fairly deep inside a building, GPS isn’t going to get there. WWVB likely > will make it to an internal location. Interesting thought. I wonder if anyone has tested WWVB reception in a deep underground location such as a sub sub level in a building or parking garage? Wayne On Mon,

Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2018-12-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you are fairly deep inside a building, GPS isn’t going to get there. WWVB likely will make it to an internal location. If you are convinced that WWVB is un-jamable and that GPS is easily jammed, WWVB would be more robust. That’s about it. Bob > On Dec 31, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Wayne

Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2018-12-31 Thread Wayne Holder
While reading this thread and pondering whether to buy and fool around with an ES100-based module from Universal Solder, I suddenly found myself wondering if there was any advantage to using the time received from WWVB vs just using an inexpensive GPS receiver. The ES100 module costs about $70,

Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2018-12-31 Thread paul swed
Good detective work. Oren is who I used to talk with at everset. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 4:32 PM Joseph Gwinn wrote: > On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:00:02 -0500, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com > wrote: > > > time-nuts Digest, Vol 173, Issue 44 > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 31

Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2018-12-31 Thread Joseph Gwinn
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:00:02 -0500, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: > time-nuts Digest, Vol 173, Issue 44 > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 04:04:22 -0800 > From: "Tom Van Baak" > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] More

Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2018-12-31 Thread paul swed
This is good work and I have been following. What caught my attention was the 2 X very fast codes. I remember talking to the everset folks early on and the high speed code could be turned on. It had not been. The ES100 will not track that code as mentioned. Did not think they actually ever turned

Re: [time-nuts] ES100 Back in Stock

2018-12-31 Thread Artek Manuals
The "Two High Gain Antennas" feature is laughable :-) On 12/31/2018 8:57 AM, Patrick Murphy wrote: Just a heads-up. Universal Solder has two different ES100 devices back in stock. https://universal-solder.ca/product/everset-es100-cob-wwvb-60khz-bpsk-receiver-kit-with-2-antennas/

Re: [time-nuts] Long life products, obsolete components, and code 4 parts. RE: HP Cesium Standards in the International Atomic Time Scale, the legend of Felix Lazarus, and the "top cover

2018-12-31 Thread Adrian Godwin
Time-standard based stories are probably on-topic, but for those wanting a wider range of subjects without posting to the list, http://hpmemoryproject.org/ has good stuff. And, of course, the http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/journal.html Tek produced a book :

[time-nuts] ES100 Back in Stock

2018-12-31 Thread Patrick Murphy
Just a heads-up. Universal Solder has two different ES100 devices back in stock. https://universal-solder.ca/product/everset-es100-cob-wwvb-60khz-bpsk-receiver-kit-with-2-antennas/ https://universal-solder.ca/product/everset-es100-adk-v2-wwvb-bpsk-phase-modulation-receiver/ -Pat (KG5YPQ)

Re: [time-nuts] Long life products, obsolete components, and code 4 parts. RE: HP Cesium Standards in the International Atomic Time Scale, the legend of Felix Lazarus, and the "top cover

2018-12-31 Thread paul swed
hello to the group. I really am enjoying the stories and in reality history about a great company that I am very proud to actually own a lot of its technology. Though purchased for $/lbs at hamfests and such. All needing TLC and all of it teaching me more then a few lessons on how to do things. So

Re: [time-nuts] TIC Characterization

2018-12-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Magnus D anielson writes: >> measure (start=house_std, stop=siggen) and (start=siggen, stop=house_std) for >> as many siggen phase settings as you have patience for. > >Well, this was the second setup I was talking about. To disclose the >full non-linearity you want to tweak

Re: [time-nuts] More ES100 WWVB Measurements

2018-12-31 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Graham, That's very nice work. And you have uncovered several unusual effects in the ES100. Bugs? Features? If we time nuts keep up the good work to evaluate this chip, we are likely at some point to get an informative response from the guys who designed it. They read time-nuts. So now

Re: [time-nuts] Long life products, obsolete components, and code 4 parts.

2018-12-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 12/31/18 7:31 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: >> This email chain has unleashed a flood of memories from 30 years ago. >> Hopefully a few of you find this walk down memory lane interesting. >> I have a few more stories in the que if any of you are still interested. >> >> Hugh Rice > > Somewhere

Re: [time-nuts] TIC Characterization

2018-12-31 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Thanks Tom for your quick and extensive reply. > Indeed I confused Time Interval with Phase Difference… ... > By the way, it also seems that HDEV at Tau=1 is 2/sqrt(3) * Sigma = 1.15 > SigmaTIC > I don't believe that HDEV result. For many large runs of simulated normalized white phase