Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread ed breya
I'd recommend that fiber-optic transmission should be used where it has definite advantages, such as long distance, for galvanic isolation, or in serious EMC situations. It's fun to experiment with for all kinds of things, but it has no advantage over traditional wiring/cable for signal

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread jimlux
On 3/21/19 1:19 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: BTW our modules for Cisco had special contents in some registers to make sure that nobody could use alien modules. There must have happened some social engineering if I read the post above :-) I suspect more that someone sued under the Magnuson

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi How low is low ? :) Based on the plot that Bill provides in the write up you linked to, he measured the insertion phase noise of the unit. His description is (as always) accurate: “….this level of performance isn’t exceptionally good, it is quite adequate for its intended purpose …” =

[time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Mark Sims
The "personality" for these modules is stored in a bog standard 3.3V 256 byte I2C EEPROM (address 0xA0). The I2C bus is n the connector. An Arduino can reprogram that memory. For the simplest case you just change the vendor ID info. I think the kilobuck level programmers is just a simple

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Bob Bownes
To pull this back to time nuts territory, this brings up the idea of simply using traditional ethernet infrastructure, be it 100M/1G/10G/whatever at the PHY layer to achieve distribution of 1pps. The infrastructure is easily enough interfaced to, even a simple microprocessor can do it, using

Re: [time-nuts] Yet another GPSDO project.

2019-03-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Good point. We tend to *assume* ADEV-ish concerns when there may be other parameters that take precedence. You most certainly can mess up phase noise (and spurs) in a GPSDO. Bob > On Mar 21, 2019, at 4:14 AM, Leo Bodnar wrote: > > Tobias, > Have you measured resulting phase noise of the

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-21 Thread Tobias Pluess
Hi, if it is of interest for someone: I have made my own distribution amplifier for this exact purpose. Since I want sine waves, not square, I used some OpAmps. Hamilton Technical Services has published a design for a distributor here

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread jimlux
On 3/20/19 11:42 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 7:05 AM Anders Wallin wrote: We've tinkered with SFP-to-SMA adapter boards like this: https://github.com/aewallin/SFP2SMA_2018.03 http://www.anderswallin.net/2018/04/500-mhz-sfp-board-v4/ And if you want a "ready made"

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 21.03.19 um 07:27 schrieb Hal Murray: jim...@earthlink.net said: It seems like you could probably figure out how to interface to these things and use them to distribute timing signals. The document is the "SFP MSA".  I still have the XFP version somewhere here. I don't know how well

Re: [time-nuts] Yet another GPSDO project.

2019-03-21 Thread Leo Bodnar
Tobias, Have you measured resulting phase noise of the finished unit? Thanks Leo > From: Tobias Pluess > sure, I believe you since my primary requirement was phase noise. This is > because I'd like to use the OCXO as reference for my spectrum analyzer and > also for my HP 8663 signal generator

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Warren Kumari
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 8:00 AM Hal Murray wrote: > > jim...@earthlink.net said: > > It seems like you could probably figure out how to interface to these > things > > and use them to distribute timing signals. > > There are two big advantages of fibers: > They work well for long distances. >

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20190321062751.4c65b406...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net>, Hal Murray writes: >I don't know how well they will work for something like a PPS. Somebody >should try it. The signal pattern is mostly trying to be friendly to the PLL >that does clock recovery and/or the AGC

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 21/3/19 5:27 pm, Hal Murray wrote: > > jim...@earthlink.net said: >> It seems like you could probably figure out how to interface to these things >> and use them to distribute timing signals. > > There are two big advantages of fibers: > They work well for long distances. > No ground

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: > It seems like you could probably figure out how to interface to these things > and use them to distribute timing signals. There are two big advantages of fibers: They work well for long distances. No ground loops. The target market for those contraptions is

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Warren Kumari
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 7:05 AM Anders Wallin wrote: > We've tinkered with SFP-to-SMA adapter boards like this: > https://github.com/aewallin/SFP2SMA_2018.03 > http://www.anderswallin.net/2018/04/500-mhz-sfp-board-v4/ > And if you want a "ready made" solution instead of making the board

Re: [time-nuts] inexpensive fiber optic distribution

2019-03-21 Thread Anders Wallin
We've tinkered with SFP-to-SMA adapter boards like this: https://github.com/aewallin/SFP2SMA_2018.03 http://www.anderswallin.net/2018/04/500-mhz-sfp-board-v4/ although designed for 1 Gbit (1.25 GHz, or 800 ps 'bits') they work down to 10 MHz (and 5 MHz IIRC). With a decent interface-board and a