Re: [time-nuts] BG7TBL 10 MHz OCXO

2019-06-05 Thread Andy Backus
More complete evaluation of the BG7TBL from eBay: One week continuously powered up. 19-23 degrees ambient temperature, 55-65% humidity. Output 10 MHz at 4 volts p-p. Frequency measured by phase drift rate when compared to a Thunderbolt GPSDO 10 MHz standard using a scope. Precision -- +/-

Re: [time-nuts] The forbidden question

2019-06-05 Thread Joseph B. Fitzgerald
Regarding Dana's remarks on VLBI, consider the recent black hole image released by the Event Horizon Telescope.Measurements were taken at 230 GHz, and they would like to begin measurements at 345 GHz.Hydrogen masers were used at each telescope.I am no expert, but I strongly

Re: [time-nuts] Si5351A harmonics question

2019-06-05 Thread Bo Hansen
Harmonics from a Si5351A is not a problem. As pointed out a LPF will do what it takes to get the fundamental frequency "extracted". The Si5351A is designed to clock/feed other digital circuits so that shouldn't be a problem in this particular case either. In the digital clock domain spurs are,

Re: [time-nuts] Si5351A harmonics question

2019-06-05 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Chris, better to set your SA to 5 MHz span with 2.5MHz center. Adjust the input attenuator (start with lots of attenuation) until the 995 kHz peak is just less than the always present peak at zero frequency. (Namely always keep zero Hz at the left side of the screen, or to the left of that so

Re: [time-nuts] The forbidden question

2019-06-05 Thread David Van Horn via time-nuts
"Some people build giant laser interferometers, other people build large-scale particle accelerators, still other people build elaborate clocks. They are all looking for the same thing: a conversation with Mother Nature that begins with, "Hmm, that's funny," and ends in a Nobel acceptance

[time-nuts] Frequency Standard in personal lab

2019-06-05 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
In my personal lab, I have many oscillators that I consider "standards".  They have varying long term and short term stability.  I have: 1:  HP11811-6011 double oven 2:  Nortel GPSTM GPSDO  (I have two) 3:  Efratom PRFS1024:  Efratom PRFS2025:  PRS-10 disciplined by Trimble Resolution-T GPS 5: 

Re: [time-nuts] Si5351A harmonics question

2019-06-05 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Not quite sure what this has to do with time and frequency but ok …… A spectrum analyzer has a “zero frequency” response. You can see this when you do not have any input. It is clearly present on both of your plots. I suspect you are confusing it with an actual signal. Analyzers are

Re: [time-nuts] Si5351A harmonics question

2019-06-05 Thread Timestep Nuts
That's what a square wave is ! A LPF will work on anything. I'm not sure why you are using a class D amplifier though ? Dave G4IUG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Si5351A harmonics question

2019-06-05 Thread Dana Whitlow
Chris, In general I'd say that the rather high level sidebands on your signal are not reasonable at all, but I think I see what's *really* wrong: your SA settings. It looks to me like the tall signal is the DC spur, (a.k.a. "start spur") of you analyzer, and the signal very near center screen is

Re: [time-nuts] The forbidden question

2019-06-05 Thread Ben Bradley
This thread reminds me of a few things, firstly, nuclear fusion: On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 1:00 AM jimlux wrote: > > 30 odd years ago, I heard a speech from a guy at AT who said that by > definition, you cannot predict technology that will result in a > revolution ahead of time. >The cost of a

Re: [time-nuts] The forbidden question

2019-06-05 Thread David Slipper
This topic reminds me of my first job at NPL Teddington back in the late 60's when Prof Essen was my boss's boss. Frequency standards, length standards, etc, etc. Happy days, an amazing place to work, an amazing library, and one hell of a start for a 16yo for a career in electronic and

[time-nuts] Si5351A harmonics question

2019-06-05 Thread Chris Wilson
05/06/2019 16:24 I am using a small transmitter called a U3S by QRP Labs as an exciter for a high power Class D amp. I take the output at circa 951kHz direct from CLK0 (it has no output stage built, I go direct from CLK0 on the Si5351A and input it to a level converter based on a

Re: [time-nuts] The forbidden question

2019-06-05 Thread Martin VE3OAT
Being thoughtfully non-dismissive. Personally, I subscribe to the school of "We don't don't need it yet, but ..." in the belief that things like insanely accurate clocks will lead to greater sources of excitement later on. And I am reminded that : 1. A guy with one clock knows what time it

Re: [time-nuts] The forbidden question

2019-06-05 Thread Tony Finch
Will Kimber wrote: > > The thing with TIME is that its measurement is a abstract concept.  Most > other "standards" have a physical representation. The metre is derived from the second and the speed of light using interferometry. The kg is derived from the metre and the second and the planck

Re: [time-nuts] The forbidden question

2019-06-05 Thread John Miles
> As to your analogy, it is valid only if and to the extent that NIST-F2 has > practical applications. That is what I am asking about. The important thing about devices like NIST-F2 is not that they are better than any other clocks, it's that they are still imperfect. The researchers are