Re: [time-nuts] Hp10811 parts ref

2019-09-15 Thread Didier Juges
The actual offset value in this application is somewhat irrelevant. Temperature stability of the offset voltage and bias current is. The 10811 met it's specs with the LM208 so there is no need to get a substantially better part even though as you pointed out it is easy. My point was not to use

Re: [time-nuts] Hp10811 parts ref

2019-09-15 Thread Charles Steinmetz
One more LMx08 equivalent: the most obvious of all, the LT1008. I didn't think about it earlier because I assumed it would have been discontinued long ago. The LT1008 was designed specifically to upgrade LMx08 sockets, so it uses Pin 8 for overcompensation -- just like the LMx08. It is one

Re: [time-nuts] Sawtooth Error Correction, WAS: Capturing NMEA and TICC timestamp data in time-correlated way?

2019-09-15 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The TBolt does code phase to lock up the OCXO. Effectively its best guess error is zero once the control loop closes. That also means the average error is also zero. Since it’s yanking the OCXO *and* guessing at the error, separating those two numbers can get a bit tangled up. One of the

Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-15 Thread Club Internet
Rick, Thanks for this information. Actually the technology of C18 is not specified in the manual. Why should it necessarily be « foil » type and metallized? Is « foil » type same as « film » type? Of course the « mass » needs to be there (=> 3D printing services) Best Gilles. > Le 15 sept. 2019

Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-15 Thread jimlux
On 9/14/19 7:43 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: In the 40 years since the 10811 was designed, AFAIK, there as been zero (0) progress with respect to the capacitance per cubic centimeter of foil capacitors. I think that's because you're up against physics - foils can only be so thin

Re: [time-nuts] Sawtooth Error Correction, WAS: Capturing NMEA and TICC timestamp data in time-correlated way?

2019-09-15 Thread Dana Whitlow
Assuming that the T'bird works as you stated, you might still want to know where in that sawtooth the supposedly "fixed" error falls. Maybe this is unimportant if all you want is a stable reference frequency source, or very important if you actually want to know what time it is. However, the

Re: [time-nuts] Sawtooth Error Correction, WAS: Capturing NMEA and TICC timestamp data in time-correlated way?

2019-09-15 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Precisely. On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 6:03 PM Alberto di Bene wrote: > On 2019-09-15 14:12, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > > > Most GPS receivers with 1PPS outputs are only able to align the 1PPS to > the > > nearest edge of some internal clock. In addition, in most GPS > receivers, >

Re: [time-nuts] Sawtooth Error Correction, WAS: Capturing NMEA and TICC timestamp data in time-correlated way?

2019-09-15 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Let me see if I can give this a go. Some of this will likely be oversimplified and not exactly accurate. Consider this a simplified 101 level class taught by an assistant and not the professor. Most GPS receivers with 1PPS outputs are only able to align the 1PPS to the nearest edge of some

Re: [time-nuts] Hp10811 parts ref

2019-09-15 Thread Gregory Beat via time-nuts
It has been 17 years since Steve Smith, G8LMX (Nottingham, UK) has taken time-nuts on his ‘Fantastic Voyage’ inside the dual oven of the HP 10811. https://www.realhamradio.com/GPS-oven-journey.htm I believe the challenge will be sourcing Quality Components properly characterized to operate at

Re: [time-nuts] Capturing NMEA and TICC timestamp data in time-correlated way?

2019-09-15 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith (mailing lists account)
> On Sep 14, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Mark Sims wrote: > Lady Heather should do the job. It supports using a GPS device as the main > input device and a TICC/counter as an auxiliary input device (/ei= command > line option). Writing a .xml format log file will have all the data. On a > TICC you

Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-15 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The 10811 oven loop is only barely stable. It's stability is limited by the amount of capacitance that you can get in a cap of the size that will physically fit. BTW, this cap must be of the foil type, not the metallized type. If you are building a knock off of the 10811 and you can fit in more