Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: > > Bob wrote: > >> Digital pots have *lots* of issues. A high quality wire wound pot likely >> will be significantly >> more stable and lower noise than your typical digital unit. In addition the >> 10 or 20 turn wire >> wound will

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <5e2f2ca4.10...@yandex.com>, Charles Steinmetz writes: >Even with the MDAC variety (which can have as many as 16 bits worth of >steps), I can't imagine ending up with sufficient resolution to give >satisfactory step sizes for time nuts purposes, unless you cascade at >least

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Dana Whitlow
Perrier, I see that several others have beat me to the punch on the digipot issues. So I think I'll sit this one out and just try to learn. Dana On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:50 AM Dana Whitlow wrote: > Perrier, > > In answer to your 2nd question, I am unaware of any oscillator technology > for

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 11:34:07 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > One advantage that a digital pot has is small size. If you want to ovenize a > pot to improve > it’s temperature performance, that’s a good thing. Indeed a lot of modern > oscillators have > digital pots in them to set this or that during

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread jimlux
On 1/27/20 10:32 AM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Bob wrote: Digital pots have *lots* of issues. A high quality wire wound pot likely will be significantly more stable and lower noise than your typical digital unit. In addition the 10 or 20 turn wire wound will have far more “steps” than a

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bob wrote: Digital pots have *lots* of issues. A high quality wire wound pot likely will be significantly more stable and lower noise than your typical digital unit. In addition the 10 or 20 turn wire wound will have far more “steps” than a digital pot. Digipots come in two flavors --

Re: [time-nuts] Time Server

2020-01-27 Thread Simon Ritchie
Apologies in advance if you already know some or all of this ... The instructions that you mention show you how to build an Arduino with a wired network connection. It has IP address 192.168.1.251. The Arduino offers a time service to other machines on your network. You then need to connect

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Digital pots have *lots* of issues. A high quality wire wound pot likely will be significantly more stable and lower noise than your typical digital unit. In addition the 10 or 20 turn wire wound will have far more “steps” than a digital pot. One advantage that a digital pot has is small

Re: [time-nuts] Time Server

2020-01-27 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 2020-01-27 6:02, Eamonn Nugent wrote: On another note, should I ask the usual tech support question of "have you tried turning your pc off and back on again?" Well, usually the first thing they ask is "Have you correctly and firmly inserted the power plug into the wall socket ?" 8-)

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Dana Whitlow
Perrier, In answer to your 2nd question, I am unaware of any oscillator technology for which tuning the actual oscillator frequency has either (much less both) of instant full response or absolutely zero effect on its frequency drift trend afterwards. Instantaneous full response is generally not

Re: [time-nuts] Time nuts access

2020-01-27 Thread John Ackermann
The list archives were hit by a denial of services attack on Saturday, and our hosting company was forced to take the archives off-line because the load was crashing their server.  We're going to bring them back either later today or tomorrow. John On Jan 26, 2020, 10:37 PM, at 10:37 PM, ed