Re: [time-nuts] Any time-nut able to copy 82S191 PROM?

2020-02-27 Thread Didier Juges
Well, I have an old EP-1140 EPROM programmer that may be able to but I do not have the manual or the software for it. Software was running under MS-DOS, maybe an early Windows version like 3.0 or 3.1 so it may well be old enough to support those chips. I do have a modern TL866 II Plus but it does

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi A, but did you then whip up a batch of ammonium bifluoride to clean them up after playing with the grinding compound? :) They figured that part out part way through WWII. The lack proper post grind etch just about had all the radios out there out of service. Bob > On Feb 27, 2020,

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Been there; done that! Rick N6RK On 2/27/2020 12:15 PM, David Van Horn via time-nuts wrote: I remember opening up those military crystals and sanding them down with Ajax cleaner to raise the frequency or rubbing a little solder on the plate to lower it for CW transmitters. High school days.

Re: [time-nuts] New Subscriber, DIY GPSDO project (yes, another one)

2020-02-27 Thread ew via time-nuts
Please contact me direct off list In a message dated 2/27/2020 4:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, time-n...@welwarsky.de writes: On Donnerstag, 27. Februar 2020 19:16:22 CET ew via time-nuts wrote: > Matthias where are you located. I am in the US but I have some partners in > crime that may be

Re: [time-nuts] New Subscriber, DIY GPSDO project (yes, another one)

2020-02-27 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Donnerstag, 27. Februar 2020 19:16:22 CET ew via time-nuts wrote: > Matthias where are you located. I am in the US but I have some partners in > crime that may be able to help you with AV testingewkeh...@aol.com > > Bert Kehren I'm in Germany. BR, Matthias >

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The crystal industry in the US went from a couple of outfits (mostly in PA) making < a hundred a month in the 1930’s, to a massive bunch of outfits during WWII. Most were turning out a couple hundred an hour. Much of that collapsed when the war ended and the demand went away. A few

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread David Van Horn via time-nuts
I remember opening up those military crystals and sanding them down with Ajax cleaner to raise the frequency or rubbing a little solder on the plate to lower it for CW transmitters. High school days.  -- David VanHorn Lead Hardware Engineer Backcountry Access, Inc. 2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I seem to recall that crystals for frequency control (on a commercial basis) were sort of a post WW2 thing (partly because of developments in piezo hydrophones for sonar) Crystals for radios were well established pre-WWII. There was an FCS paper ~30 years ago about the WWII quartz

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread jimlux
On 2/27/20 8:45 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: OTOH, you could build a simple Colpitts oscillator and see where it oscillates. That's what they did back in the dark ages. Any time nut should be up for that. Rick N6RK But does a deForest Audion (ref Colpitts patent 1624537 1918) have

Re: [time-nuts] New Subscriber, DIY GPSDO project (yes, another one)

2020-02-27 Thread ew via time-nuts
Matthias where are you located. I am in the US but I have some partners in crime that may be able to help you with AV testing    ewkeh...@aol.com Bert Kehren ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 27.02.20 um 17:45 schrieb Richard (Rick) Karlquist: OTOH, you could build a simple Colpitts oscillator and see where it oscillates. That's what they did back in the dark ages. Any time nut should be up for that. 5.000 MHz. That was easy. It used to be in something Colpitts-like for 30

Re: [time-nuts] PCB layout question for GPSDO

2020-02-27 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Donnerstag, 27. Februar 2020 16:17:56 CET Tobias Pluess wrote: > I will see how well it works. At least I got my PCBs this week, and my > Mouser order for some components is on the way. I will start with the > software for the STM32 soon, maybe I will then bother the mailing list > again a bit

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Brian Lloyd
On 2/27/20 10:45, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > OTOH, you could build a simple Colpitts > oscillator and see where it oscillates. > That's what they did back in the dark > ages. > > Any time nut should be up for that. I was going to suggest pumping it with white noise and then doing a long FFT

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
OTOH, you could build a simple Colpitts oscillator and see where it oscillates. That's what they did back in the dark ages. Any time nut should be up for that. Rick N6RK On 2/27/2020 5:35 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi Ok, so just to run the math: 5 MHz / 2.9 = 1.724 MHz If the Q at the

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Dana Whitlow
If you start off viewing the crystal in series (S21) I believe that you'll be able to see some response far enough away from the resonance to make it easier to find. Dana On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:39 AM Magnus Danielson wrote: > Hi, > > Even if my VNA steps in 1 Hz if I ask it kindly, it can

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Even if my VNA steps in 1 Hz if I ask it kindly, it can be a bit teadious work to find it. Cheers, Magnus On 2020-02-27 14:35, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > Ok, so just to run the math: > > 5 MHz / 2.9 = 1.724 MHz > > If the Q at the fundamental is 500K (a wild guess) then 1.724 MHz / 500,000 =

Re: [time-nuts] PCB layout question for GPSDO

2020-02-27 Thread Tobias Pluess
Hi Matthias, jup, I agree but this "problem" will be easily fixed using the internal pullup resistors of the STM32. Best Tobias HB9FSX On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:43 PM Matthias Welwarsky wrote: > On Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2020 14:50:57 CET wrote: > > Hoi Tobias, > > > > Sorry for the late

Re: [time-nuts] PCB layout question for GPSDO

2020-02-27 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2020 14:50:57 CET wrote: > Hoi Tobias, > > Sorry for the late answer. Took me some time to look at your > schematics. > And I just had a quick look, too: I think you're missing a pull-up resistor for the TDC7200 INTB signal. Not a huge problem, the built-in pull-up of

Re: [time-nuts] Are there SC-crystals out there in the wild that are not Overtone?

2020-02-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ok, so just to run the math: 5 MHz / 2.9 = 1.724 MHz If the Q at the fundamental is 500K (a wild guess) then 1.724 MHz / 500,000 = 3.4 Hz In a world where a synthesized sweeper *might* be stepping in 10Hz steps, that’s an easy one to miss. Bob > On Feb 26, 2020, at 11:40 PM, Bernd