[time-nuts] Leviton VTP24 Is this Time Accurate enough?

2021-08-26 Thread D. Resor
I inquired with Leviton as to the accuracy of the VTP24 24 Hour Programmable Timer with DST. https://www.leviton.com/en/products/vpt24-1pz Don Resor Here is the reply I received: Hello, Thank you for contacting Leviton technical support. According to the code it meets, it is required to have

[time-nuts] Re: General Radio 1105-A Frequency Measuring Equipment, parts wanted.

2021-08-26 Thread Bill S
Stijn, I have a GR unit marked GR-1101 Piezoelectric Oscillator that consists of the quartz bar(broken) and the  oscillator. If this is what you are looking for you're welcome to it. Let me know if it can be of use to you. Bill On 8/23/2021 9:15 AM, Stijn wrote: Seems that the pictures got

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Dana Whitlow
Just to be clear, the shift has to be in phase, not time per se. A 90 deg phase shifter based on a constant delay will not work well at other frequencies. That's why phasing-type SSB exciters got so messy in the audio phase splitter department (in the old days). Nowadays with digital processing,

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Graham / KE9H
I think Dana's explanation is a much clearer way to think of what is going on in an I-Q receiver. Until you are really far down the signal chain, at the demodulator, where you might process the I and Q signals differently, there is no 'splitting' or division of the signal into I and Q. The signal

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Dana Whitlow
Hi Jim, I think the best way is to view the signal as a phasor, with any noise present adding a random trajectory (a fuzzball) to the tip of the signal vector. Conceptually speaking, this eliminates needing to worry about the distribution of power between I & Q, etc. It lets you view the whole

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Lux, Jim writes: >I'm looking for a simplified treatment of the uncertainty of I/Q >measurements.  Say you've got some input signal with a given SNR and you >run it into a I/Q demodulator - you get a series of I and Q measurements >(which might, later, be turned into mag and phase). >

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Tom Holmes
Now, re-reading my response and thinking a little longer, I understand your question a little better, maybe. I see where you are coming from if RF and LO are the same frequency, and it's not totally clear to me yet what happens as the phase changes. My quick back of the napkin (yes, I actually

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Once you get things down to baseband, you (likely) shove the I and Q into some sort of arc tangent math. Depending on just how you do that math, there can be some bumps in the road. It’s implementation dependent so I don’t know of a “generic” answer. I’m not all knowing so there may be one

[time-nuts] Re: uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Tom Holmes
HI Jim... >From my admittedly limited understanding of IQ demodulators, the first thing >done is to split the signal power (signal, noise, and all) evenly between two >paths, which then ideally feed identical double balanced mixers (I'm thinking >of a hardware implementation, obviously) whose

[time-nuts] uncertainty/SNR of IQ measurements

2021-08-26 Thread Lux, Jim
This is sort of tangential to measuring time, really more about measuring phase. I'm looking for a simplified treatment of the uncertainty of I/Q measurements.  Say you've got some input signal with a given SNR and you run it into a I/Q demodulator - you get a series of I and Q measurements

[time-nuts] Re: GPS antenna question

2021-08-26 Thread Robert DiRosario
Somehow I missed this message. >This probably comes under tha category of more than you want to know... No, it's NOT more than I want to know, it's what I want to know. >Stanford published a series of lectures on GPS. >https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGvhNIiu1ubyEOJga50LJMzVXtbUq6CPo >I