Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If the OCXO only makes it 6x10^-10 past 10 MHz, that’s not enough for the unit to lock properly. 40 Hz tune range looks fine so not a shorted tune line. New best guess would still be an OCXO problem. Swap it out and see what happens. The OCXO’s show up on eBay all the time. Who knows what

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If your OCXO tunes to 10 MHz at -3.5V and it used to tune at +0.5V, it sounds like the tune line is shorted somewhere. That could be inside the OCXO or outside. If the short is “noisy” (and that is not unusual) you aren’t going to get it to lock. You need to figure out where the short is.

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Bill Beam
It looks like since last Oct the osc jumped frequency and has become less stable. This is not unheard of for an ocxo. It may be time to replace with a true Trimble Thunderbolt. A couple are now on ebay for 2-300$. It is possible to replace the ocxo, assuming nothing else is wrong with the

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Roger Rehr W3SZ
Hi All, Sorry I forgot to attach the freq vs DAC voltage table to the email that I just sent: DAC V  Freq +5.0 9.999.961 +0.0 9.999.985 -3.0 9.999.998 -3.5 10.000.000 -3.8 10.000.001 -4.0 10.000.002 -4.5 10.000.004 -5.0 10.000.006 So the oscillator is not

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-26 Thread Roger Rehr W3SZ
Hi Nigel, and Bob, and Bill! Thanks for the notes!  I very much appreciate your helpful comments.  I will give my responses to all of your helpful posts here.  Sorry for the delay in responses.  The reason for the delay is that my Thunderbolt is at a remote site and I can communicate with it

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-25 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The steering on the TBolt comes from code phase measurements on the incoming GPS signals. The pps is derived directly from the 10 MHz by division. Since the OCXO is phase locked to the GPS, the PPS follows along. Indeed they have the usual “reset the counter” stuff when things are big time

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-25 Thread Bill Beam
Roger, Bob's idea is a good one. Your last Oct screen shot shows DAC=+0.475V. Try setting DAC=+0.5V. Don't even need a counter since L H shows osc error. Hope that DAC does not hit a rail. If this does achieve a steering lock then be sure to set the DAC initial value using & >> I. This

[time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-25 Thread gandalfg8--- via time-nuts
necessary you could update LH to version 6 https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/lady-heather-v6-beta-for-windows-exe/ Nigel GM8PZR Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:32:18 -0400 From: Roger Rehr W3SZ To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong? Message-ID: <13a08

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-25 Thread Roger Rehr W3SZ
Thanks to Bill and Mike for the very helpful info! Unfortunately, doing warm reset, cold reset, factory reset, multiple self surveys did not solve the problem. Forcing Disciplining to Enabled did not help. Tuning the oscillator did not help. I can manually control the DAC voltage using

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-24 Thread Roger Rehr W3SZ
Hi Bill, Thanks for the note! I leave the Trimble Thunderbolt powered up all the time because since the last rollover in April it takes a long time to find the satellites and it doesn't give 10 MHz output until it has found the satellites for the first time, so none of my gear that is fed by

Re: [time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-24 Thread Bill Beam
How long has unit been powered on? GPS looks ok but osc is not locked, osc error is high at 500K ppt, should be below 50ppt. DAC shows no activity. Give it time (maybe an hour) to see if it goes from 'Power-up' to 'Normal" On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:32:18 -0400, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote: >HI All,

[time-nuts] Am I doing something wrong?

2019-09-24 Thread Roger Rehr W3SZ
HI All, I am wondering if I have set up my Trimble Thunderbolt wrong. I have corrected for roll-over and everything looks good in Lady Heather but the Thunderbolt stays in Power-up mode according to Lady Heather, and is always "doing fixes" even though I have entered the lat and lon for a