Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: > > Bob wrote: > >> Digital pots have *lots* of issues. A high quality wire wound pot likely >> will be significantly >> more stable and lower noise than your typical digital unit. In addition the >> 10 or 20 turn wire >> wound will

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <5e2f2ca4.10...@yandex.com>, Charles Steinmetz writes: >Even with the MDAC variety (which can have as many as 16 bits worth of >steps), I can't imagine ending up with sufficient resolution to give >satisfactory step sizes for time nuts purposes, unless you cascade at >least

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Dana Whitlow
Perrier, I see that several others have beat me to the punch on the digipot issues. So I think I'll sit this one out and just try to learn. Dana On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:50 AM Dana Whitlow wrote: > Perrier, > > In answer to your 2nd question, I am unaware of any oscillator technology > for

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 11:34:07 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > One advantage that a digital pot has is small size. If you want to ovenize a > pot to improve > it’s temperature performance, that’s a good thing. Indeed a lot of modern > oscillators have > digital pots in them to set this or that during

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread jimlux
On 1/27/20 10:32 AM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Bob wrote: Digital pots have *lots* of issues. A high quality wire wound pot likely will be significantly more stable and lower noise than your typical digital unit. In addition the 10 or 20 turn wire wound will have far more “steps” than a

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bob wrote: Digital pots have *lots* of issues. A high quality wire wound pot likely will be significantly more stable and lower noise than your typical digital unit. In addition the 10 or 20 turn wire wound will have far more “steps” than a digital pot. Digipots come in two flavors --

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Digital pots have *lots* of issues. A high quality wire wound pot likely will be significantly more stable and lower noise than your typical digital unit. In addition the 10 or 20 turn wire wound will have far more “steps” than a digital pot. One advantage that a digital pot has is small

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-27 Thread Dana Whitlow
Perrier, In answer to your 2nd question, I am unaware of any oscillator technology for which tuning the actual oscillator frequency has either (much less both) of instant full response or absolutely zero effect on its frequency drift trend afterwards. Instantaneous full response is generally not

[time-nuts] Digital Pots, wiper noise and fine tweaking oscillators

2020-01-26 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Yo Bubba Dudes!, Previous posts mentioned wiper noise and stability of a mechanical pots after tweaking. My questions are: Do digital pots after setting have wiper noise? When making fine tuning tweaks to the EFC of an OCXO, can one move it to its *dead on* setting right away or is there some