Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-25 Thread ew via time-nuts
Doesn't the 5062 use M/N Bert Kehren   In a message dated 6/25/2018 12:31:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, rich...@karlquist.com writes:   On 6/24/2018 10:21 AM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: > Hi, > > I've repaired a few 5065A A1 synthesizer modules recently and lets just > say that they are not my

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Richard (Rick ) Karlquist" writes: >Did I miss the reason as to what was wrong with M/N? I don't think there is anything wrong with M/N, but the A1 in HP5065 suffers from dead/drifting/dying and obsolete components in the divider. I tried replacing the divider with a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-25 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 6/24/2018 10:21 AM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: Hi, I've repaired a few 5065A A1 synthesizer modules recently and lets just say that they are not my favorite repair! I decided to go back to a project I started a while back to try and replace the A1 module with a DDS implementation. I built up

[time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-25 Thread cdelect
Hi, My purpose was to provide an inexpensive (<$30.00) and simple way to replace a defective A1 without degrading the performance the original A1 gave. The Chinese DDS allows this without having to solder all those tiny pins! Both styles actually performed better than the original, and the same

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-25 Thread jimlux
On 6/25/18 6:05 AM, Dana Whitlow wrote: A useful hardware demonstration of DDS phase truncation is to do step a DDS through a long series of frequencies at a relatively low stepping rate, and view the output with an FFT-based (real-time) spectrum analyzer set for spectrogram display. Watch

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-25 Thread jimlux
On 6/24/18 2:05 PM, Hal Murray wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp said: That's one of the reason I went with Bo's DDS (32bit0 instead of the eBay modules (20-24 bit). Higher resolution mitigates the spur problem at least a little bit. I think it also moves the spurs closer in. But maybe if they are

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 14:05:52 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > Does anybody have a handy formula for the spurs given the parameters for a > DDS? I think, you are looking for [1] and [2]. But please note, that both phase truncation and DAC non-linearity spurs can be reduced by the right use of

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
In principle DDS spurs due to phase truncation can be largely suppressed using well known techniques when an FPGA is used just leaving spurs due to the DAC. Bruce > On 25 June 2018 at 06:00 Attila Kinali mailto:att...@kinali.ch > wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 17:29:43 + >

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Hal Murray
Poul-Henning Kamp said: > That's one of the reason I went with Bo's DDS (32bit0 instead of the eBay > modules (20-24 bit). Higher resolution mitigates the spur problem at least a > little bit. I think it also moves the spurs closer in. But maybe if they are small enough they get lost in the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Bob kb8tq writes: >The result can be a very close in spur ( like << 1 Hz) that really rips up >your ADEV since it passes through all the cleanup PLL’s …. Indeed. That's one of the reason I went with Bo's DDS (32bit0 instead of the eBay modules (20-24 bit). Higher

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi One of the things I’ve run into doing Rb’s this way is that the spurs out of the DDS are not always the same device to device. They also change a lot with small tuning changes. The result can be a very close in spur ( like << 1 Hz) that really rips up your ADEV since it passes through all

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:06:17 +0200 Attila Kinali wrote: > Oops... I just realized that the mixer part number is wrong. > it should be LTC5599 instead of LTC5598. Or not... please ignore me.. I seem to be confused. Attila Kinalie -- It is upon moral qualities that a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:00:22 +0200 Attila Kinali wrote: > Attached is the page of my notebook with the schematic of the idea. Oops... I just realized that the mixer part number is wrong. it should be LTC5599 instead of LTC5598. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A A1 replacement with DDS

2018-06-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , cdel...@juno.com writes: >I've repaired a few 5065A A1 synthesizer modules recently and lets just >say that they are not my favorite repair! None of my two 5065A's have particular good A1's, so I don't know what the baseline performance should be like. I have been playing