Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-13 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, I'm sending this anwer to time-nuts as well (with permission of Taka) as this might be generally interesting. On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 04:23:27 + (UTC) Taka Kamiya wrote: > I am experiencing what you are talking about "live". > I have an experimental setup where PRS-10 is being steered by

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-09 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ok, if you are concerned about 1 us and not to concerned about 100 ns, then there’s not a lot to set up. A standard that is good to 10 ns / s will do just fine. That’s 10 ppb and a “typical” OCXO in a counter will do just fine. Leave it on for a few days and set it to frequency. There

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
This seems like as good of a message to reply to as any. Thanks to everyone who has replied so far - lots of good information, which is right in the category of what I was looking for. Let me clarify what I'm hoping to measure. I apologize if some of the terminology below is wrong, I'm still

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Michael Wouters
We have operated about 40 PRS10s over the past 20 years or so. These are all run continuously in benign environments and monitored via GPS time-transfer . Some have died after just over a year; others have operated for more than 12 years. A new one generally takes a few months to burn in, before

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Hal Murray
> A PRS10 with a long shelf life will need more than 10 months (not days !) to > get its final drift. Its dépends of the homogeneity of the gas mixture > (Rb85,87 and krypton) in the cell and a long non running time affects the > mixture. What's going on there? Why/how does the mixture change?

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread JF PICARD via time-nuts
: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Date: Friday, March 8, 2019, 4:45 PM On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 06:31:48 -0600 Dana Whitlow wrote: > The point here is that there are appare

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Attila Kinali
今日は On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 14:09:20 + (UTC) Taka Kamiya via time-nuts wrote: > Why?  Because nature of GPSDO and Rb, time constant is set to 2 to 3 hours.  > (still experimenting)  It takes few cycles of this to lock and stabilize.  In > short, you'll be safe if you wait 24 to 48 hours.  Rb

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 06:31:48 -0600 Dana Whitlow wrote: > The point here is that there are apparently a number of warm up drift > mechanisms operating, some of which take days to sensibly settle down. Longer. I know of one measurement, where the Rb had a kind of stable drift until it suddenly

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 8, 2019, at 7:47 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 01:18:45 -0700 > "Forrest Christian (List Account)" wrote: > >> 1) Assuming the PRS-10 has been off for a long time, how long should I >> plan on leaving this on for the 10Mhz to stabilize? I see the >> longest

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I am experimenting with exactly the same thing.  PRS-10 with Thunderbolt.  PRS-10 takes about a day to stabilize.  When physics lock happens, it has limited stability - which is mentioned in manual.  Before I calibrated, I waited for 2 days.  These movements are visible if you feed GPSDO into

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Dana Whitlow
Keep in mind that the 7 min "warmup time" of the PRS-10 is jut the time for the unit to get the physics package close enough to final temperature for the dithering loop to lock to the atomic transition. But based on measurements of current drawn by the oven(s), it takes more like an hour for the

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 01:18:45 -0700 "Forrest Christian (List Account)" wrote: > 1) Assuming the PRS-10 has been off for a long time, how long should I > plan on leaving this on for the 10Mhz to stabilize? I see the > longest warmup time on the spec-sheet is 7 minutes - although this > seems a

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Warm-up Time, Calibrating/Adjusting, and long-term poweron

2019-03-08 Thread Hal Murray
> 1) Assuming the PRS-10 has been off for a long time, how long should I plan > on leaving this on for the 10Mhz to stabilize? I see the longest warmup > time on the spec-sheet is 7 minutes - although this seems a lot shorter than > I'd likely use in real life, I'm also not sure if there's