Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-11-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Tom, On 10/31/18 10:45 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: >> I have in mind a project which consists in synchronizing two or more stable >> clocks (OCXO) disciplined by GPS. >> >> However, would be great to have the option to disable the GPS on both sides >> at a given time and to synchronize them in a

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-31 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Ferran, Here's another idea for your multi-OCXO synchronization project. Normally when we think about synchronized oscillators we imagine two of them in side-by-side or perhaps separated by a few meters of cable. Through some PLL magic they remain in perfect phase (and frequency), either

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-31 Thread Tom Van Baak
> I have in mind a project which consists in synchronizing two or more stable > clocks (OCXO) disciplined by GPS. > > However, would be great to have the option to disable the GPS on both sides > at a given time and to synchronize them in a Master-Slave or directly by means > of a protocol they

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
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Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-30 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
-05:00) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold HiThe Trimble Thunderbolt does not have a 1 pps between the GPS chips and the OCXO. It makes the link between the two portions of the system in a different way

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-30 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The Trimble Thunderbolt does not have a 1 pps between the GPS chips and the OCXO. It makes the link between the two portions of the system in a different way than the typical GPSDO. It uses the OCXO as the clock reference for the GPS chip set. It then uses phase data on the received

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ok, let’s take a look at this is a bit more detail. Let’s say you have a reference oscillator ( = the source of sync) and a locked oscillator ( = the target of the sync). Both devices have jitter. Unfortunately this an ill defined term and we can go on almost forever about what is or

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Unfortunately there are no “stock” boards to do this sort of thing. If this is a commercial requirement, there are companies who do this kind of thing on a custom basis. Figure on a few thousand dollars NRE and a minimum order of a few hundred to get somebody interested. At the “couple ps”

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
> I have in mind a project which consists in synchronizing two > or more stable clocks (OCXO) disciplined by GPS. If the OCXO are disciplined by GPS then you have a GPSDO. There is no need, then, to synchronize the OCXO directly; they are all synchronized indirectly through GPS. Or perhaps I

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The Thunderbolt actually is not a real good solution if you want to synchronize to something other than GPS. It depends on direct phase data from its internal GPS chip set to do the GPSDO magic. A board that has a PPS signal between the GPS and “PLL” probably is a better way to go. Even

[time-nuts] Question about the PLL of Trimble Thunderbold

2018-10-24 Thread Ferran Valdés
Hello everyone ! I am new in here. I got referred to time-nuts by a colleague, and after reading a bit, I think that is the right place for this kind of questions :) I have in mind a project which consists in synchronizing two or more stable clocks (OCXO) disciplined by GPS. However, would