Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The “normal” approach is to stabilize the inner wall and cross section (= open tube) of the dewar. Often this is done with a metal “plug”. It may or may not extend to the bottom of the dewar. A lot depends on fiddly little details about how much heat you are generating in the circuitry

Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-02 Thread Dana Whitlow
Question: Do you stabilize the oscillator inside the dewar, or do you stabilize the temperature of the dewar's outside environment? This may boil down to a slightly different expression: Where do you *sense* the temperature for the stabilization loop? On the crystal itself, or on the outside

Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There are a lot of dewar / vacuum flasks on eBay in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. Some get into the proper combination of affordability, size and shape. There does not appear to be a constant supply of any one version so it is very much shop and see. Dewar based OCXO’s go way back ( in

Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-02 Thread Bill Slade
Hello! I have done this and can attest that it works well. I did not use a TCXO, though. I used a 48 MHz, third-overtone AT-cut crystal in a Colpitts oscillator configuration. The vacuum flask was ovenized to maintain temperature near the stationary point of the temp characteristic (near 50

Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Tom Van Baak writes: > An email came in asking if it was possible to improve the performance > of a TCXO if one monitors the temperature of the PCB or enclosure and > then applies timekeeping corrections in s/w based on that data. I > don't have specific P/N or other details so treat this as a

[time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-01 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Yo Bubba Dudes!, If one has the space, a simple cure might be to get one of the wide mouth thermos containers that they sell in large variety stores such as Wal-Mart for being able to eat something like stew or some semi-solid hot food out of the container itself. Regards, Perrier

Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-01 Thread Mark Goldberg
I am purchasing TCXOs from a reputable supplier and building boards to install in Ham radios. Every one is indeed different. They also exhibit hysteresis, sometimes very strong, more than the variation with temperature. They test in one direction and meet the .25 ppm variation spec over temp, but

Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you look at any sort of “TimeNut” sort of level of detail, every unit in the batch will be different. Bob > On Aug 1, 2019, at 3:05 AM, Clint Jay wrote: > > I'd imagine the effort required to characterise a TCXO to that level and > add the monitoring hardware/software would put the

Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2019-08-01 08:50, Tom Van Baak wrote: > An email came in asking if it was possible to improve the performance > of a TCXO if one monitors the temperature of the PCB or enclosure and > then applies timekeeping corrections in s/w based on that data. I > don't have specific P/N or other

Re: [time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-01 Thread Clint Jay
I'd imagine the effort required to characterise a TCXO to that level and add the monitoring hardware/software would put the cost in the region of an OCXO but it's an interesting idea, I wonder what the variance across a batch would be On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, 08:01 Tom Van Baak, wrote: > An email

[time-nuts] TCXO improvement

2019-08-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
An email came in asking if it was possible to improve the performance of a TCXO if one monitors the temperature of the PCB or enclosure and then applies timekeeping corrections in s/w based on that data. I don't have specific P/N or other details so treat this as a generic question. Has anyone