Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2020-03-03 09:48, Matthias Welwarsky wrote: > On Dienstag, 3. März 2020 09:25:13 CET Dana Whitlow wrote: >> Matthias, >> >> You said that the LPRO has a pulling range of 4 PPM. Really? I >> would think that 4PPB would be much more likely for a Rb. > Yes, sorry, typing mistake. The user

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-03 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Dienstag, 3. März 2020 09:25:13 CET Dana Whitlow wrote: > Matthias, > > You said that the LPRO has a pulling range of 4 PPM. Really? I > would think that 4PPB would be much more likely for a Rb. Yes, sorry, typing mistake. The user guide says "more then +/- 1.5E-9", I found it more in the

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-03 Thread Dana Whitlow
Matthias, You said that the LPRO has a pulling range of 4 PPM. Really? I would think that 4PPB would be much more likely for a Rb. Dana On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:21 PM Matthias Welwarsky wrote: > On Montag, 2. März 2020 18:32:44 CET Skip Withrow wrote: > [...] > > The Thunderbolt DAC steps

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-03 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Montag, 2. März 2020 22:20:48 CET Matthias Welwarsky wrote: > On Montag, 2. März 2020 18:32:44 CET Skip Withrow wrote: > With a reasonably stable PPS from a timing receiver, just looking at the DAC > movements, it should not be a problem to have a MDEV of 1e-14'ish for > tau=1s. The LPRO

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-02 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Montag, 2. März 2020 18:32:44 CET Skip Withrow wrote: [...] > The Thunderbolt DAC steps in 10uV steps IIRC. And it steps its DAC > voltage every second. With GPS signals jumping around you can still > (will) end up with poorer short term performance than if the Rb was > left to its own

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi So backing up a bit: What are you trying to do? GPS signals by their nature are noisy short term. They get better the longer you stretch out the observation time. If you are running a single band / uncorrected GPS ( = most GPSDO’s and most GPS modules) you will hit a bunch of issues

[time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-02 Thread Skip Withrow
Hello Mike, Replacing the OCXO in a Thunderbolt (or one of the many telecom cousins) is very easy to do. Just yank out the OCXO, hook the Thunderbolt EFC to the Rubidium EFC (the Thunderbolt range is 0-6V), and hook the Rb 10MHz where the OCXO 10MHz went. That is the easy part. Understanding

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
You should log the PRS10's PPS timestamps with a computer, I'm sure you will be surprised by what you see. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-02 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
Hi I'm doing it.  I've taken PRS-10 which has PPS IN feature and fed it with PPS from Trimble.  It is still work in progress but the mechanism works.  Time constant of the PRS-10 is set to very long time (8 hours?) from factory when signal is present on PPS-10.  Problem I'm encountering

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Dana Whitlow writes: >Probably the easiest solution would be to feed 1 PPS from the T'bolt into a >full-featured >PRS-10 Rb, then fiddle with the loop parameters in the PRS-10 to best suit >your needs. Been there, tried that, not a good idea. The PPS input of the

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-02 Thread ew via time-nuts
It is very simple to do. Warren did it I think seven years ago and we have done it repeatedly in the last 4 years. Take the EFC that goes to the OCXO to the C field control and Tbolt can determine and automatically adjust to frequency per Volt. You can also adjust the time constant. Tbolt is

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-01 Thread Dana Whitlow
Probably the easiest solution would be to feed 1 PPS from the T'bolt into a full-featured PRS-10 Rb, then fiddle with the loop parameters in the PRS-10 to best suit your needs. Unfortunately, I'm told that most of the surplus PRS-10s have been stripped of this capability. But a new PRS-10 *does*

[time-nuts] Time-Nutters-- Adding Rubidium to a Thunderbolt...?

2020-03-01 Thread mp...@clanbaker.org
Hello, Time-Nutters-- Is it possible to add/combine/mate a rubidium osc to a Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO? Have there been any examples of this that I could use as a guide? Thanks for any info/feedback on this!! Mike Baker Gainesville/Micanopy Florida USA ***