Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If the data is GPS referenced it is not at all uncommon to see a roughly 24 hour pattern in the data. Ionospheric changes are one significant contributor. The further down into the mud you get, the more other things pop up (multipath repeating with the same constalation ….) Bob > On

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-03 Thread Chris Burford
Hello David, It could quite possibly be tempco induced. I have this on my schedule of future events for additional analysis. Thanks, Chris Chris, Just looking at the graph reminds me of a daily variation - perhaps due to temperature.  Is that likely?  Would a two-day graph be worth

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-03 Thread Chris Burford
Hi Dana, My PRS10 is the DUT that has its 1PPS(Out) wired into the TICC on ChA. The reference is my GPSDO which has a 8663-XS DOCXO and has its 1PPS(Out) wired into the TICC on ChB. The 10 MHz clock signal for the TICC comes from my GPSDO also, which as I understand, need not be quite so

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
> I'm just curious if the phase difference slope value can be plugged in to this equation. > I'm seeing 4.22E-12 as the slope value in the upper right of the > TimeLab phase difference plot. Is that telling me that my DUT is > within +4.22ps / sec from my reference 1PPS for the 24 hour >

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-03 Thread Dana Whitlow
Chris, Ok, one source is a PRS-10. Is it the DUT or the reference? And if it's the DUT, what is the reference source? Dana On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 8:00 PM Chris Burford wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I'm seeing 4.22E-12 as the slope value in the upper right of the TimeLab > phase difference plot. Is

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-03 Thread David J Taylor via time-nuts
Hi Bob, I'm seeing 4.22E-12 as the slope value in the upper right of the TimeLab phase difference plot. Is that telling me that my DUT is within +4.22ps / sec from my reference 1PPS for the 24 hour measurement duration? I have attached a screen capture that will hopefully make its way through

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-02 Thread Chris Burford
Hi Bob, I'm seeing 4.22E-12 as the slope value in the upper right of the TimeLab phase difference plot. Is that telling me that my DUT is within +4.22ps / sec from my reference 1PPS for the 24 hour measurement duration? I have attached a screen capture that will hopefully make its way

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha is that if the duration gets long enough, the numbers on a GPSDO will get silly small. You very much have to decide what time duration is appropriate to your system / application. If you always run your frequency counter on a 1 or 10 second gate …. you really don’t care about

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The difference in seconds between the start phase and the end phase divided by the number of seconds duration gives you the parts in whatever of the error. If you see 1us ( = 1x10^-6 seconds) of change in a second, you are off by 1 ppm (or 1x10^-6). If you see 1 us of change in 1,000

[time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-02 Thread Chris Burford
Is the slope value for the phase difference shown in TimeLab an average of the overall data sample duration? The reason I ask is that my service manual for my RFS says: /"//A faster way to make the comparison between the reference frequency and the DUT is to use the time interval measurement