[time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators

2018-11-05 Thread Dr. Frank
> Hi > > A failed ( = cold) oven on either a normal OCXO should give you a "tens of ppm” sort of frequency error. At 10 MHz that would be over 100 Hz. Fractions of a ppm are less likely to be oven issues. > Bob Bob, You're completely right about the ballpark of a total failure.. Anyhow, I

Re: [time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators

2018-11-05 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi A failed ( = cold) oven on either a normal OCXO should give you a “tens of ppm” sort of frequency error. At 10 MHz that would be over 100 Hz. Fractions of a ppm are less likely to be oven issues. Bob > On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Dr. Frank wrote: > > Walter, > > did you check on both

[time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators

2018-11-05 Thread Dr. Frank
Walter, did you check on both failing oscillators, that the ovens work properly afterwards, or that the cases still get warm? I once had a failing 10811, where the NTC was defect, maybe also after a longer unused time. As the heater draw an excessive current on turning on, (about 500mA for

Re: [time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators

2018-11-03 Thread Mike Feher
Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Glenn Little WB4UIV Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 7:10 PM To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators I had to "fix" a HP Cesium standard

Re: [time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators

2018-11-03 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
I had to "fix" a HP Cesium standard oscillator while on an SSBN. The problem was a failed op amp in the control circuit for the crystal oscillator. Due to lack of parts, the "fix" was to run the standard open loop with nothing controlling the crystal oscillator. Using an oscilloscope to compare

Re: [time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators

2018-11-02 Thread Neville Michie
HI I have had experience with two 10811 oscillators which turned out to have the same problem. Inside there is a gold plated ferule mounted in teflon at the junction of the tuning diode and the transistor, obviously considered a very high impedance point, or may be just sensitive to leakage.

Re: [time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators

2018-11-02 Thread Matthew D'Asaro
Hi. I don't have a good answer to why both of your oscillators would have drifted at once after the power cutout. However, I would be very interested in taking a look at the bad 10811A. I have always been fascinated by these and have wanted to take one apart (and try and understand/fix it) for

Re: [time-nuts] hp 10544A and 10811A ovenized oscillators

2018-11-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The change is suspiciously close to the electrical tuning range of a typical HP OCXO. The answer may be a failure of the bias on the EFC line ….. Bob > On Nov 2, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Walter Shawlee 2 wrote: > > I have several of these as the -010 high stability timebase options > in my