Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Regardless of it being a double or single oven, it’s a good bet that it did once and still does meet the original temperature specification with some margin. The open question is - what was that spec? Bob > On Feb 3, 2020, at 3:58 PM, gandalfg8--- via time-nuts > wrote: > > Ah, > I now

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-03 Thread Dan Rae via time-nuts
On 2/3/2020 12:58 PM, gandalfg8--- via time-nuts wrote: I'm not in anyway trying to detract from the 8663, or from its performance, but until someone is brave enough to attack one with a hacksaw and prove otherwise, I still have the one that, until the EFC circuit in it became flaky,

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-03 Thread gandalfg8--- via time-nuts
Ah, I now have a full copy of the design paper, "A new kind of view for a Double oven Crystal Oscillator", thanks John. The authors do reference the 8663 but as far as I can see only in a photographic example of what was previously available, before then launching into the discussion of their

[time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-02 Thread Mark Sims
I've been using 8663's for years. I've put many of them in freq counters. Their phase noise is fairly good, but not stellar. Their temperature stability is more than excellent. Aging drift tends to be far better than spec. As with all things OCXO, YMMV

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The bigger issue is: Was the “ST” version done as a low cost approach that just happened to be in the 8663 footprint? If so, the only way to know what it does / what it is would be to find the elusive spec sheet. Bob > On Feb 2, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > > Hi Nigel, >

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Nigel, I was about to make a similar comment. The 8663 is for sure limited by it's size. Actually, for being Oscilloquartz they are by far not the best or the worst, but kind of mid-range. I have OSA 8712 here, and the even smaller one. Then there is the OSA 8666/8667 and well, I guess the OSA

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-02 Thread gandalfg8--- via time-nuts
I don't have access to the full copy of the quoted reference, so don't know whether or not specific part numbers are quoted, but did note from the abstract the comment. "To allow the assembly on a board of 4TE width, the height of the OCXO is limited to 19 mm" This I would suggest could

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The HP10811 is a single oven. It has been around for a *long* time. It is spec’d to do 2.5 ppb over 0 to 70C. Indeed they typically exceed this spec. HP was a bit conservative on their numbers. Several versions of the 8663 are not spec’d as tightly over temperature as the 10811. The main

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-02 Thread gandalfg8--- via time-nuts
Some Chinese sellers have been describing the 8663-XS as double ovened for years now, certainly as far back as 2013 when I bought a couple.However, this is not confirmed by the Oscilloquartz data sheet and I have always believed it to either be wishful thinking or just a marketing ploy.The

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-02 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 21:08:42 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > are representative, the 8663’s don’t quite get to that level. The typical > spec unit is at 1 to 4 ppb over 0 to 70. That’s > reasonable performance for a modern single oven. I very much doubt they > built a true double oven simply to hit >

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Jeffrey, On 2020-02-02 01:50, Jeffrey Pawlan wrote: > I along with many others have purchased a couple of the OSCILLOQUARTZ > 8663-XS 10MHz oscillator.  The ebay ad claims it is double oven but > the only datatsheet I could find is for a generic 8663.  Does anyone > know the actual definition

Re: [time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Backing off a bit: The 10811 in your Z3801 has an outer heater to allow it to operate at -40C. The “stock” 10811 will run out of oven power before it gets that cold. The outer oven does nothing other than allowing operation at very cold temperatures. It cuts out (or should do so) before the

[time-nuts] questions about oscilloquartz 10MHz module

2020-02-01 Thread Jeffrey Pawlan
I along with many others have purchased a couple of the OSCILLOQUARTZ 8663-XS 10MHz oscillator.  The ebay ad claims it is double oven but the only datatsheet I could find is for a generic 8663.  Does anyone know the actual definition of the XS version? It is unclear whether the ones we are