Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
In principle one could time tag each individual photon with subnanosecond resolution. Bruce > On 29 March 2019 at 09:00 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > > In message <236772484.9174006.1553757616...@webmail.xtra.co.nz>, Bruce > Griffith > s writes: > > >However when used with a CCD

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2019-03-28 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi I randomly came across: Publications of the United States Naval Observatory January 1, 1900 U.S. Government Printing Office Which turns out to be a Google E-Book. It goes into some detail about just how the transit data contained in it was obtained. For the (free) price it’s worth taking a

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <236772484.9174006.1553757616...@webmail.xtra.co.nz>, Bruce Griffith s writes: >However when used with a CCD camera or equivalent the accuracy >should improve somewhat much as adding a TV camera to a transit >circle improved its accuracy. You know ... there *is* an official

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2019-03-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Brooke Yes but the accuracy would suffer due to observer related effects. However when used with a CCD camera or equivalent the accuracy should improve somewhat much as adding a TV camera to a transit circle improved its accuracy. I had a personal tour of the USNO setup on Black-

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-27 Thread Dana Whitlow
Relative to Harrison's method of star position measurement and timing, and the possible effects of diffraction thereof: Hanbury Brown's book "The Intensity Interferometer" may provide some useful insight about various error sources, even though in a different context, that of measurement of a

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2019-03-27 Thread Adrian Godwin
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:00 AM jimlux wrote: > > > To get 1 second accuracy, you need 360/86400 = 0.004 degree > measurements. That's 0.073 milliradian - 1 cm at 140 meter distance. > > I'm not sure an "edge" is sharp enough (diffraction, etc.), although > your eye is pretty good at

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2019-03-27 Thread Kevin Birth
There is a large period literature on ³dialing² which not only included sundials, but all sorts of ways to measure time from celestial objects using angles. Discussions of trigonometry, surveying, navigation, and ³dyaling² in relationship were also quite common during the period. These could be

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2019-03-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bruce: Would the David White 60 Degree Pendulum Astrolabe also work? https://prc68.com/I/PendulumAstrolabe.shtml -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke https://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html axioms: 1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be

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2019-03-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Of course the time scale will be much shorter for a star occulted by an edge etc on Earth. The longer time scale for a lunar occultation is due to the slower relative angular motion of the moon with respect to the star than the motion of the Earth with respect to a star. Bruce > On 27 March

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2019-03-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
These light curves for a star being occulted by the moon should give some idea of the effects of diffraction: http://tdc-www.harvard.edu/occultations/moon/vb141occa.html Bruce > On 27 March 2019 at 15:48 Tom Van Baak wrote: > > > BobH wrote: > >> This would be an excellent project for

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2019-03-26 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2019-03-27T16:26:09+1300 Bruce Griffiths hath writ: > The Danjon impersonal astrolabe is perhaps better suited to accurate > measurements: > https://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/collections/3267/objects/3380/astrolabe Danjon became director of Observatoire de Paris (and thus also the BIH) in 1945.

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The Danjon impersonal astrolabe is perhaps better suited to accurate measurements: https://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/collections/3267/objects/3380/astrolabe Bruce > On 27 March 2019 at 15:48 Tom Van Baak wrote: > > > BobH wrote: > >> This would be an excellent project for time-nuts to verify.

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2019-03-26 Thread Roger Tilsley
Greetings time-nuts, Harrison's method depends on the star having the same true azimuth at 1 Sidereal day intervals (23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds). It does not depend on a visible horizon since the altitude (which changes with the season) is not relevant except that one must be able to see

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2019-03-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
BobH wrote: >> This would be an excellent project for time-nuts to verify. First, a >> better explanation of John Harrison’s method is in order. A vertical >> window edge is not sufficient - a second vertical reference at a >> distance is required - Harrison used a chimney on a neighbor's house.

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2019-03-26 Thread jimlux
On 3/26/19 3:48 PM, Bob Holmstrom wrote: Ben Bradley stated > "Perhaps closer to your question: I recall in my readings about clockmaker John Harrison (likely either in "The Quest for Longitude” or Dava Sobel's "Longitude") that he would look from the edge of his window at a particular star each

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2019-03-26 Thread jimlux
On 3/26/19 4:27 PM, Neville Michie wrote: It must be a sign of the dedication that Harrison applied to his work. It is not as simple as the description first appears, this is England, and the method presupposes that there are no clouds. It might be a week or two before two nights occurred, when

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Neville Michie
It must be a sign of the dedication that Harrison applied to his work. It is not as simple as the description first appears, this is England, and the method presupposes that there are no clouds. It might be a week or two before two nights occurred, when an unclouded night was followed by another