Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread Tom Holmes
I would strongly suggest that you consider buying Agilent Certi-Prime items not through EBay but through one of the distributors that they now sell much of their equipment through. I have dealt with Electro-Rent on this kind of equipment and had much better response and less hassle if there are

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread Pete Lancashire
Payment is possible with Paypal or credit card. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That's what you get if you have sub harmonic energy in the output of your OCXO. I'd bet you a warm glass of beer that you have a 5 MHz / doubled to 10 MHz MTI OCXO in your Z3805. If you have a lot of time on your hands, you can calculate the likely level of the energy from the amount of

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-17 Thread Chris Howard
The picture, if attached, did not come through. Probably it was stripped off by the mailing list software. I did located what I believe you were speaking of. A small white donut placed in the circuit board which was an attachment point for the trimmer and a smaller fixed capacitor and the blue

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 17 November 2012 14:31, Tom Holmes thol...@woh.rr.com wrote: I would strongly suggest that you consider buying Agilent Certi-Prime items not through EBay but through one of the distributors that they now sell much of their equipment through. The discounts on eBay (48% was agreed, prior to

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-17 Thread Volker Esper
So let's have a look into the machine... and what do we see? There's a nice little Symmetrcom oven, with the sign reading 5.000 MHz - bingo! May be there's a time saving way to determine the energie of the sub harmonic: using my spectrum analyzer. It tells me, that there's a 5 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi 60 db isn't to bad a number. More or less: 100 ns - 100 ps is 1000:1. 20 log of that is 60 db. 100 ps to 60 ps is about 4.4 db. That would sum up to -64.4 dbc. The main gotcha is that you *might* also have some 15 MHz (and higher) energy in the signal as well. Also phase gets into the

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 Credit cards were not mentioned, but this would have been above

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread J. Forster
Odd. I would have expected anybody's PayPal limit would be lower than the associated credit card limit. Logically, one should be therefore able to get a PayPal account without a credit card,. -John === This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
You can get a Paypal account without a credit card. I think all you need is a bank account. In fact, every time I try to buy something with Paypal, it defaults to taking the money from my bank account, and every time I need to change it to take it from my credit card. I appear to have a $10,000

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread J. Forster
Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works. -John == You can get a Paypal account without a credit card. I think all you need is a bank account. In fact, every time I try to buy

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 11/17/2012 4:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works. -John Then you pay the overdraft charge... -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread J. Forster
Not if you just walk into a bank and open an account with $100 cash. My point is not fraud, but that PayPal is not safe. -John == On 11/17/2012 4:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance.

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread Peter Gottlieb
That works just fine. I have two Paypal accounts, one tied to my regular bank account which I use for purchases, and another tied to a small account at a local bank (where I keep almost nothing) which I use for selling. As soon as money goes into that account I use an ATM to withdraw cash,

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread Don Latham
I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! Don L J. Forster Not if you just walk into a bank and open an account with $100 cash. My point is not fraud, but that PayPal is not safe. -John

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 17 November 2012 23:37, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! Don L J. Forster It is Agilent - at least to the extent I can determine. Some

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread J. Forster
As I said, try calling Executive Complaints at the US HQ. LD calls are cheap these days. You have nothing to lose, IMO. -John === On 17 November 2012 23:37, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called?

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:29 PM, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: It is Agilent - at least to the extent I can determine. Some reported [...] Also to the extent that I could determine. All emails after the sales were from the UK offices of Agilent. Any emails sent to

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Nov 17, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! I reviewed my email archive. Emails regarding my purchase from agilentused came

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread J. Forster
If agilentused is selling stuff on eBay, might not the PayPal be an eBay thing, rather than an Agilent thing? Fer sure, eBay really, really pushes PayPal because they get an additional cut of the transaction. -John == On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:29 PM, David Kirkby

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 18 November 2012 01:02, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: As I said, try calling Executive Complaints at the US HQ. LD calls are cheap these days. You have nothing to lose, IMO. -John But I can imagine I would be a very long time on a phone trying to get someone able to deal with it. I

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 18 November 2012 01:04, Kevin Rosenberg ke...@rosenberg.net wrote: agilentused also wanted me to use PayPal. I used two transactions. The first for the item and the second for software options. I would have also preferred credit card for the cash back, but agilentused wanted PayPal.

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-17 Thread Volker Esper
I'm impressed - but what law is behind this? Am 17.11.2012 21:26, schrieb Bob Camp: Hi 60 db isn't to bad a number. More or less: 100 ns - 100 ps is 1000:1. 20 log of that is 60 db. 100 ps to 60 ps is about 4.4 db. That would sum up to -64.4 dbc. The main gotcha is that you *might* also

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal. Shipping delays

2012-11-17 Thread Tom Knox
I have been waiting for two N1922A sensors for a couple months now from Agilentused the new eBay site. They have already offered a substantial discount on my next purchase. And their prices were already very good. The only concern is the delay has put the transaction beyond the point the eBay

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread J. Forster
You don't ask, you don't get. And, is 10 UKP really significant compared to what you've spent or lost? Get to them, succinctly summarize, get a name, and then switch to email. YMMV, -John === On 18 November 2012 01:02, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: As I said, try calling

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Just good old Fourier series. Bob On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:12 PM, Volker Esper ail...@t-online.de wrote: I'm impressed - but what law is behind this? Am 17.11.2012 21:26, schrieb Bob Camp: Hi 60 db isn't to bad a number. More or less: 100 ns - 100 ps is 1000:1. 20 log of that

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 two frequency maxima

2012-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A little more detail: What's going on is more clear if you trigger a scope on the positive edge of the 5 MHz and look at the 10 MHz. With an ideal multiplier, both the positive and negative edges of the 5 MHz should line up exactly with a positive edge of the 10 MHz. In reality, negative

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying - please Stop

2012-11-17 Thread Said Jackson
Guys, i did not know this was a PayPal discussion group. Can we move on please? Thx Said Sent From iPhone On Nov 17, 2012, at 15:04, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Not if you just walk into a bank and open an account with $100 cash. My point is not fraud, but that PayPal is not safe.

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying - please Stop

2012-11-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
What Said said. We now know who has trouble with PayPal. It's *time* to move on. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Said Jackson Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:55 PM To: j...@quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Discussion of precise time and

[time-nuts] Wanted - AN/URQ-10 manual

2012-11-17 Thread M. Simon
Can't help you with the manual but I just wanted to say that the 1051 was one of my favorites. Loved the PLLs. I worked on an upgrade for Stewart Warner back in the early 80s. As part of a prototype I put two Z-80 systems in the space between the front panel and the main gear. Part of its

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David J Taylor
-Original Message- From: David Kirkby [] This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 [] Dave

Re: [time-nuts] Wanted - AN/URQ-10 manual

2012-11-17 Thread Don Latham
Forth forever!!! Don L M. Simon Can't help you with the manual but I just wanted to say that the 1051 was one of my favorites. Loved the PLLs. I worked on an upgrade for Stewart Warner back in the early 80s. As part of a prototype I put two Z-80 systems in the space between the front panel and