Re: [time-nuts] GPS leap second pending (TBolt/Heather)

2015-01-24 Thread David J Taylor
my monitor ( see http://www.romahn.info/tbolt2lcd/ ) also shows leap sec pending. This info is from Thunderbolt. Götz = I see no spurious indications from the NTP servers I happen to be using. I wrote a program to check:

Re: [time-nuts] 2015 Leap Second

2015-01-24 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Chuck, Thanks for the comprehensive list. Very nice work. This bug in many versions of the HP SmartClock-series has shown up before (but not always in the 90's, see below). What's going is yet another problem with how developers write code for leap seconds. It's really hard to get right.

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-24 Thread Stéphane Rey
Hi guys. After several experiments I could discover that the bad ADEV from the two GPSDO DUT are due to GPS lock losses. This is probably because the antenna is outside the windows but half the sky is hidden. We can see the on the frequency plot the sharp change of 0.5Hz and the locking. Good

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-24 Thread Stéphane Rey
Hi, Just a stupid question on Timelab. Why do I have the plot with 1/4 for the time actually used for the measurement ? I can see that the plot is updated every 4 samples but the scale is not relevant. The sample interval is correctly set (1s) Cheers Stephane -Message d'origine- De :

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you go back in the archives and look for the discussions on “Collins hard limiter” they will lead you to some other areas to consider when trying to square low frequency sine wave signals. The quick summary is that you need a series of bandwidth limited limiter stages ahead of what ever

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob et Stéphane, The Collins hard limiter is a fancy squarer circuit. In short, the Collins hard limiter is what I hinted about in my earlier message. Rather than hitting the hard limiter of the comparator directly, with the slew-rate issue I gave. Collins observed that if you provide a

[time-nuts] (no subject)

2015-01-24 Thread Cash Olsen
Bob, I am relatively new to the list and still learning the jargon and concepts. You wrote: There does appear to be a D in the TBolt loop. For what ever reason, that’s not a changeable value. The D does scale with the time constant. Could you or one of the other members elaborate on the what is

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-24 Thread Adrian
Hi Stéphane, have you read W. Riley's paper on a DMTD system? http://www.wriley.com/A%20Small%20DMTD%20System.pdf Cheers, Adrian Stéphane Rey schrieb: Hi guys. After several experiments I could discover that the bad ADEV from the two GPSDO DUT are due to GPS lock losses. This is probably

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2015-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A classic control loop in it’s simplest form has only one term. That is often referred to as a proportional term. When the control signal (or error) changes by A the output changes by A times that term. Often in shorthand notation this term is refereed to as a P term. The next thing that

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2015-01-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Cash, Typically a PLL loop uses a PI loop-filter, making it a PI-control system with a steered integrator in the form of the oscillator. Many other control systems prefer to use the PID controller, and Bob found that there is a D factor in there. The factors at hand is: P = Proportinal I =

Re: [time-nuts] GPS leap second pending (TBolt/Heather)

2015-01-24 Thread Chuck Harris
My Ball/EFRATOM MFS-209's MGPS receiver has announced there is a leap second scheduled for 6/30/2015 at midnite. The MGPS's engine is a 6 channel Trimble of some sort. -Chuck Harris Götz Romahn wrote: my monitor ( see http://www.romahn.info/tbolt2lcd/ ) also shows leap sec pending. This info

Re: [time-nuts] 2015 Leap Second

2015-01-24 Thread Tom Van Baak
More info from Charles (stuck in time-nuts @yahoo @aol prison): /tvb - Original Message - From: Charles Zabilski To: Tom Van Baak Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 1:52 PM Subject: Re: 2015 Leap Second Tom: Thanks for the update. I got around that problem in later

Re: [time-nuts] GPS leap second pending (TBolt/Heather)

2015-01-24 Thread Götz Romahn
my monitor ( see http://www.romahn.info/tbolt2lcd/ ) also shows leap sec pending. This info is from Thunderbolt. Götz Am 23.01.2015 um 04:38 schrieb Didier Juges: Re: Note that this is not a GPS problem, nor a Trimble problem. It's just a problem with user written software. I agree with

Re: [time-nuts] GPS leap second pending (TBolt/Heather)

2015-01-24 Thread John Miles
Agreed that simply showing the status of the leap-pending bit is the logical thing to do, and it's definitely not something I would call a bug. It would be extremely cool, though, if it used the data from packet 0x58 to display a countdown timer. I'd volunteer to make the change, but I have

[time-nuts] Questions regarding tuning Thunderbolt with Lady Heather

2015-01-24 Thread Skip Withrow
Hello Nuts, I have been playing a bit tuning a Thunderbolt with Lady Heather and now have more questions than answers. The collective time-nut brain would be appreciated. 1. Using the '' command I can change the damping and time constant in LH. Are these values immediately transferred to the TB?

[time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-24 Thread Paul
I see a one second error in the NMEA string from my LTE Lite. It lost a second between 23:33:34 and 23:33:42 21-Jan-2015 UTC. I happened to check because a report of a one second error in some NTP pool servers. Just a heads up -- I'll be following up with JL directly. -- Paul

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TymServe 2100-GPS currently fails with GPS offset

2015-01-24 Thread Robert Watzlavick
I'm seeing the same thing with my TS-2100 - it is one second behind WWV based on the front panel display. My ET-6000 appears to be in sync. What's interesting though is that I have a little applet on my iPhone (NetTime) that connects to nist.time.gov and it is also a second behind. -Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TymServe 2100-GPS currently fails with GPS offset

2015-01-24 Thread Esa Heikkinen
Robert Watzlavick kirjoitti: I'm seeing the same thing with my TS-2100 - it is one second behind WWV based on the front panel display. My ET-6000 appears to be in sync. Ok - then this is verified... So the only way (for me) is to run this with 1PPS from Thunderbolt. Good thing is that

Re: [time-nuts] Questions regarding tuning Thunderbolt with Lady Heather

2015-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:58 PM, Skip Withrow skip.with...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Nuts, I have been playing a bit tuning a Thunderbolt with Lady Heather and now have more questions than answers. The collective time-nut brain would be appreciated. 1. Using the '' command I can change

Re: [time-nuts] Questions regarding tuning Thunderbolt with Lady Heather -- GPSDO's

2015-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Maybe a bit more information, much of it applies to all GPSDO’s : The TBolt first goes through a process to get the OCXO roughly on frequency and to get the PPS approximately aligned. That process is not impacted by the time constant and damping. The OCXO goes a bit crazy during this