[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Neville Michie
On the topic of minimum hardware to use a TBolt, I am interested in observing clock pendulums. WWV is a long way from Australia and only available with good propagation. A GPS receiver will give accurate seconds signals, even if there is some jitter, however it is not easy to identify which

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Hal Murray
The GPS may drop out, so a disciplined oscillator is in order, but how can you get the GPS signals parsed to identify say minute markers without running a computer? There are lots of 8 bit micros that are smart enough to parse the stuff from a TBolt and wiggle a few pins. You have to be

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Neville Michie
My pendulum produces pulses at a rate of one per second. That signal clocks a latch that samples the less significant bits of my reference oscillator (100kHz or 1MHz) in a counter. The latched values drive a 12 bit D-A converter (a R - 2R chain). So I have a phase signal updated every second,

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Mark Sims
Yeah, you really do need a display... this is the 21st century... monkeys got better things to do than count blinkenlights (or read a message scrolling across a six character LCD). You need a processor of some sort to decode the TSIP messages. It actually takes a significant amount of

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Bruce Raymond
Hi Neville, As a thought, you might want to look at a Basic Stamp from Parallax. These are PIC chips (at least they used to be) coupled with an EEPROM and are programmed in BASIC. Here's a site for some additional data - http://www.parallax.com/Default.aspx?tabid=295 Regards, Bruce Raymond

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Hal Murray
Yeah, you really do need a display... this is the 21st century... monkeys got better things to do than count blinkenlights (or read a message scrolling across a six character LCD). A simple blinking LED is handy to alert you that there is a problem. I was probably assuming that you

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Arnold Tibus
Sorry, I don't like to contradict, but I have different experiences made concerning some statements: On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:48:27 +, Mark Sims wrote: The Thunderbolt default config is to not save the survey position. Unless you use some software to save the position, every time you power

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Hal Murray
As I reported already, Thunderbold seem to restart perfectly alone once set properly, until I get a problem I have no real control over it, no information about, and for portable use I need always a PC. I think portable is quite different from stationary. If you move it, you have to

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Arnold Tibus
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:21:29 -0700, Hal Murray wrote: As I reported already, Thunderbold seem to restart perfectly alone once set properly, until I get a problem I have no real control over it, no information about, and for portable use I need always a PC. I think portable is quite

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Hal Murray
My pendulum produces pulses at a rate of one per second. That signal clocks a latch that samples the less significant bits of my reference oscillator (100kHz or 1MHz) in a counter. ... but what I would really like is a clock showing UTS in a form that can be compared to a clock. That

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Mark Sims
As I said: The Thunderbolt default config is to not save the survey position. Unless you use some software to save the position... The reason your Thunderbolt does no self surveying at power-on is exactly becuase you DID use some software to save the position!The TAPR units were shipped

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 21:14 +, Mark Sims wrote: BTW, on 30 July 2017 your Thunderbolt turns into a pumpkin... its interpretation of the GPS week number fails and it may or may not keep working. At a bare minimum, the time and date will be wrong (see ThunderBoltBook2003.pdf page

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-07 Thread Rob Kimberley
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Sims Sent: 07 July 2008 22:14 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers As I said: The Thunderbolt default config is to not save the survey position. Unless you use some software to save the position

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-06 Thread Mark Sims
The Thunderbolt default config is to not save the survey position. Unless you use some software to save the position, every time you power it up it will do a new survey. This takes from 1 hour to several days to complete. After that you really don't need a controller except for peace of

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-06 Thread Bob Paddock
A very minimal controller might be an AVR Butterfly. It only has a 6 character display and joyswitch. Rather not up to the task, There is the newer DB101 with the 128x64 bit map display. http://www.atmel.com/dyn/Products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=4221 I think they really did a botched job on

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt controllers

2008-07-06 Thread Hal Murray
A very minimal controller might be an AVR Butterfly. It only has a 6 character display and joyswitch. Rather not up to the task, but dirt cheap (around 20 bucks). It could display a minimal go/nogo type of indication. Do you actually need a display? How about a LED or 3. My straw man