Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-12-05 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:01:41 +0100 ehydra ehy...@arcor.de wrote: Hi all! I wonder what would be reasonable location accuracy if two cheap same type GPS modules will be several meters apart? I understand that it involves statistical numbers. Any idea? Say for a small robot. On my

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
Kalman filtering navigation? On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:53 AM, WB6BNQ wb6...@cox.net wrote: Or an alcohol sensor ! BillWB6BNQ Chris Albertson wrote: snip GPS is never going to be exact. Or I should say you don't know the exact lat. long. for every place you want to go. So to

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-28 Thread ehydra
Hi Hal - Thanks for your efforts! I just settled down my GPS for the car on my desk (under a brick roof) and left it over night alone. Between evening and morning I wrote 4 locations on paper and later dumped it into Google. So this is a test case for ONE unit. It is a TomTom equipped with a

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Hal Murray
If you do a test, let us know your findings. I think the answer will depend upon how good the location is. If the limitation is ionosphere delays, two units near each other should have similar errors. If the limitation is multipath, being near each other probably won't help much. ---

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Steve .
Hal, Those sure look like GNU plot graphs :) Sorry, i didn't mean to change subjects but i do like gnu plot. Steve On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: If you do a test, let us know your findings. I think the answer will depend upon how good the

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
Maybe you can figure out for use how long one must average the data to get down to a given position accuracy. The fact that you have a poor location is good. You are generating real-world numbers.If I use my GPS I find the location never moves more then a few inches at most. I have a roof

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Hal Murray
Maybe you can figure out for use how long one must average the data to get down to a given position accuracy. The fact that you have a poor location is good. You are generating real-world numbers. I'll be glad to provide lots of crappy data if anybody wants to play with it. --

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Pure brute force would compute the center of mass and then scan all the data points computing the distance...  That's an N-squared process which might take too long with a large clump of data.  For offline research like

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread WB6BNQ
Or an alcohol sensor ! BillWB6BNQ Chris Albertson wrote: snip GPS is never going to be exact. Or I should say you don't know the exact lat. long. for every place you want to go. So to find something like a bear bottle in your refrigerator you need vision Chris Albertson Redondo

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-25 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, if you use statistics then you must be slow or, better, stop and collect data. I think that ionosphere movements that cause errors are slower than robots movements so it is hard to collect enough data for statistics, of course maybe that only two points to average out is better than

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-25 Thread Pierpaolo Bernardi
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:26, ehydra ehy...@arcor.de wrote: I read that for position accuracy ionospheric effects are the main source for typical single frequency receivers. So looking for DOP would be not helpful because the ionospheric way is for two 'relative' on the same position located

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
Usually GPS receivers have DOP figures you can use to estimate the position precision. Maybe worth using timing receivers for position to increase the position accuracy. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:01 PM, ehydra ehy...@arcor.de wrote: Hi all! I wonder what would be reasonable location accuracy

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-24 Thread ehydra
I read that for position accuracy ionospheric effects are the main source for typical single frequency receivers. So looking for DOP would be not helpful because the ionospheric way is for two 'relative' on the same position located teceivers vs. satellites position almost the same and that

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-24 Thread Chris Albertson
I think the accuracy could be quite good if you took advantage of the times the robot was motionless. During those times it could build up many seconds of averaging and then while moving either use dead reckoning or inertial navigation. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:01 AM, ehydra ehy...@arcor.de