Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Yes, LORAN is in and I have been locked up to GRI 89700, for a few hours now. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 3/10/2013 6:55 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz wrote: Hi All; I hear Loran C signals back on again, I'll fire up the SRS FS-700 and check. RP ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Where are you? -John === Hi All; I hear Loran C signals back on again, I'll fire up the SRS FS-700 and check. RP ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Hi Is there any sign that the signal actually *is* eLORAN at this point? Bob On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:10 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: OK beer time came early eLORAN is off the air at 2000 UTC On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: By the way I am calling it eLORAN but I think UrsaNav has another name for it. Regards Paul On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: See my comment above On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.netwrote: Anyone locking on Wildwood, NJ - they are still fired up. Bill, WA2DVU Cape May 89700 dana and the srs700 has been locked for 10 hours plus. Looking pretty good comparing RB adjusted to gps and 20ns drift will be at least 42 minutes. But just relooked at the drift and it may be much longer. SN in Boston 49db gain 33db margin. HP 3801 is warming up for a direct comparison. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
On 02/02/2013 09:34 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Is there any sign that the signal actually *is* eLORAN at this point? The published spec makes it non eLORAN but rather a new fresher signal. Anyone tried grabbing the new signal? Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
I understand its no eLORAN, but I keep calling it LORAN and thats actually just as wrong. Not sure what to call it. It does at least at this point work with the old rcvrs. It turned off at 2000 UTC Friday it was time for a beer. Regards Paul. On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 02/02/2013 09:34 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Is there any sign that the signal actually *is* eLORAN at this point? The published spec makes it non eLORAN but rather a new fresher signal. Anyone tried grabbing the new signal? Cheers, Magnus __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Hmmm... . That puts a different face on it. If it a LORAN-like signal, but with an eventual format, incompatible with existing hardware, like the Austron 2100F, any cheering will have been in vain. YMMV, -John == I understand its no eLORAN, but I keep calling it LORAN and thats actually just as wrong. Not sure what to call it. It does at least at this point work with the old rcvrs. It turned off at 2000 UTC Friday it was time for a beer. Regards Paul. On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 02/02/2013 09:34 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Is there any sign that the signal actually *is* eLORAN at this point? The published spec makes it non eLORAN but rather a new fresher signal. Anyone tried grabbing the new signal? Cheers, Magnus __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Hi Paul, On 02/03/2013 12:35 AM, paul swed wrote: I understand its no eLORAN, but I keep calling it LORAN and thats actually just as wrong. Not sure what to call it. It does at least at this point work with the old rcvrs. I did recall a discussion here on the list where they had an article showing some detail about the info, the traditional LORAN blips where there along side a new data section more on the OFDM style, but the eLORAN blips where no where to be seen as they have been replaced. The new data-section had a lot more capacity, so it actually became meaningful. If I where in the area, I would try to grab the new signal and have a look at it. See if it makes sense in the context of what was published. It turned off at 2000 UTC Friday it was time for a beer. That's late for a beer, but yes. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
89700 dana and the srs700 has been locked for 10 hours plus. Looking pretty good comparing RB adjusted to gps and 20ns drift will be at least 42 minutes. But just relooked at the drift and it may be much longer. SN in Boston 49db gain 33db margin. HP 3801 is warming up for a direct comparison. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Fired up the SRS FS700 and auto found the GRI 89700 microsecond stations in Dana Il (master) and Seneca NY, (slave) both with equal signal strength of 63 db. Other slaves were not to be found. Noise margin of 32 dB and Rx gain of 72dB. So the Rx is all locked up. Tomorrow I will have more data comparing the 10 MHz from the T'Bolt. Right now they are comparing to within 10EE10. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 1/31/2013 10:44 PM, Stan, W1LE wrote: What GRI should we be listening for ? Stan, W1LECape Cod FN41sr On 1/31/2013 9:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Rich indeed its on the air. Warming up the FS700 to see if it will lock. Have a pattern ram thats getting flakey and takes about 30 minutes to warm up along with the oven. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Still locked onto the Dana/Seneca Loran stations at 8:38 am local. Comparison to GPS/DO is about the same. No new slaves detected. Stan, W1LECape Cod On 2/1/2013 12:30 AM, Stan, W1LE wrote: Fired up the SRS FS700 and auto found the GRI 89700 microsecond stations in Dana Il (master) and Seneca NY, (slave) both with equal signal strength of 63 db. Other slaves were not to be found. Noise margin of 32 dB and Rx gain of 72dB. So the Rx is all locked up. Tomorrow I will have more data comparing the 10 MHz from the T'Bolt. Right now they are comparing to within 10EE10. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 1/31/2013 10:44 PM, Stan, W1LE wrote: What GRI should we be listening for ? Stan, W1LECape Cod FN41sr On 1/31/2013 9:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Rich indeed its on the air. Warming up the FS700 to see if it will lock. Have a pattern ram thats getting flakey and takes about 30 minutes to warm up along with the oven. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Hello to the group. There is no need for slaves. Quite a while ago there was a slave but it was simply the master faking out a slaves position by delay. That said yes indeed the systems settling in well to the RB ref and I will switch over to the 3801 sometime this afternoon. Fired up the Austron 2100s Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Still locked onto the Dana/Seneca Loran stations at 8:38 am local. Comparison to GPS/DO is about the same. No new slaves detected. Stan, W1LECape Cod On 2/1/2013 12:30 AM, Stan, W1LE wrote: Fired up the SRS FS700 and auto found the GRI 89700 microsecond stations in Dana Il (master) and Seneca NY, (slave) both with equal signal strength of 63 db. Other slaves were not to be found. Noise margin of 32 dB and Rx gain of 72dB. So the Rx is all locked up. Tomorrow I will have more data comparing the 10 MHz from the T'Bolt. Right now they are comparing to within 10EE10. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 1/31/2013 10:44 PM, Stan, W1LE wrote: What GRI should we be listening for ? Stan, W1LECape Cod FN41sr On 1/31/2013 9:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Rich indeed its on the air. Warming up the FS700 to see if it will lock. Have a pattern ram thats getting flakey and takes about 30 minutes to warm up along with the oven. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Anyone locking on Wildwood, NJ - they are still fired up. Bill, WA2DVU Cape May 89700 dana and the srs700 has been locked for 10 hours plus. Looking pretty good comparing RB adjusted to gps and 20ns drift will be at least 42 minutes. But just relooked at the drift and it may be much longer. SN in Boston 49db gain 33db margin. HP 3801 is warming up for a direct comparison. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Yes indeed I can see the local RB and GPS along with the eLORAN all starting to track and the local offsets are steadily decreasing. Great to see. SURE as heck beats the ole WWVB. Will guess long about 5pm local eLORAN will drop for the weekend. It needs a beer. Paul On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to the group. There is no need for slaves. Quite a while ago there was a slave but it was simply the master faking out a slaves position by delay. That said yes indeed the systems settling in well to the RB ref and I will switch over to the 3801 sometime this afternoon. Fired up the Austron 2100s Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Still locked onto the Dana/Seneca Loran stations at 8:38 am local. Comparison to GPS/DO is about the same. No new slaves detected. Stan, W1LECape Cod On 2/1/2013 12:30 AM, Stan, W1LE wrote: Fired up the SRS FS700 and auto found the GRI 89700 microsecond stations in Dana Il (master) and Seneca NY, (slave) both with equal signal strength of 63 db. Other slaves were not to be found. Noise margin of 32 dB and Rx gain of 72dB. So the Rx is all locked up. Tomorrow I will have more data comparing the 10 MHz from the T'Bolt. Right now they are comparing to within 10EE10. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 1/31/2013 10:44 PM, Stan, W1LE wrote: What GRI should we be listening for ? Stan, W1LECape Cod FN41sr On 1/31/2013 9:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Rich indeed its on the air. Warming up the FS700 to see if it will lock. Have a pattern ram thats getting flakey and takes about 30 minutes to warm up along with the oven. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
See my comment above On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.netwrote: Anyone locking on Wildwood, NJ - they are still fired up. Bill, WA2DVU Cape May 89700 dana and the srs700 has been locked for 10 hours plus. Looking pretty good comparing RB adjusted to gps and 20ns drift will be at least 42 minutes. But just relooked at the drift and it may be much longer. SN in Boston 49db gain 33db margin. HP 3801 is warming up for a direct comparison. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
By the way I am calling it eLORAN but I think UrsaNav has another name for it. Regards Paul On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: See my comment above On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.netwrote: Anyone locking on Wildwood, NJ - they are still fired up. Bill, WA2DVU Cape May 89700 dana and the srs700 has been locked for 10 hours plus. Looking pretty good comparing RB adjusted to gps and 20ns drift will be at least 42 minutes. But just relooked at the drift and it may be much longer. SN in Boston 49db gain 33db margin. HP 3801 is warming up for a direct comparison. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
OK beer time came early eLORAN is off the air at 2000 UTC On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: By the way I am calling it eLORAN but I think UrsaNav has another name for it. Regards Paul On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: See my comment above On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.netwrote: Anyone locking on Wildwood, NJ - they are still fired up. Bill, WA2DVU Cape May 89700 dana and the srs700 has been locked for 10 hours plus. Looking pretty good comparing RB adjusted to gps and 20ns drift will be at least 42 minutes. But just relooked at the drift and it may be much longer. SN in Boston 49db gain 33db margin. HP 3801 is warming up for a direct comparison. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Greetings All, Loran station at Wildwood, NJ is up at 2118 EST on 100 KHZ. I guess they are running surveys again. I am located 3 miles NW of Wildwood Crest NJ where the station is located. 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May Court House, NJ -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rich and Marcia Putz Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:01 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Loran again Hi all; I'm hearing Loran C signals @ 7:00 pm EST hear northern Indiana this evening. Anyone else? Rich W9ENG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
This link may work. http://www.insidegnss.com/node/2992 73, Bill WA2DVU Greetings All, Loran station at Wildwood, NJ is up at 2118 EST on 100 KHZ. I guess they are running surveys again. I am located 3 miles NW of Wildwood Crest NJ where the station is located. 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May Court House, NJ -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rich and Marcia Putz Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:01 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Loran again Hi all; I'm hearing Loran C signals @ 7:00 pm EST hear northern Indiana this evening. Anyone else? Rich W9ENG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Rich indeed its on the air. Warming up the FS700 to see if it will lock. Have a pattern ram thats getting flakey and takes about 30 minutes to warm up along with the oven. Anyhow did reach out to UrsaNav and did get a response and actually had a good conversation. They have released their first rcvrs, betas. Don't think I'll be picking one up anytime soon. Pricey not sure I can mention the cost and its not official. Lets say its a lot more then many tbolts. Then my question is how do they survive. Its funny that LORAN is shifting around and then we see WWVB try to shift its role just about the same time. Hmmm who gets the funds if they exist at all. Good to hear LORAN (I know thats its name anymore) on the air. Looks like the srs700 is locking up. Regards Paul WB8TSL Boston On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz rp...@bnin.netwrote: Hi all; I'm hearing Loran C signals @ 7:00 pm EST hear northern Indiana this evening. Anyone else? Rich W9ENG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
In Oregon Loran-C signals were much stronger than WWVB. Loran-C could provide an alternative to WWVB that actually works in Oregon. Not to mention a fall back to a navigation system that can be jammed by something as small as a can of pop. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
What GRI should we be listening for ? Stan, W1LECape Cod FN41sr On 1/31/2013 9:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Rich indeed its on the air. Warming up the FS700 to see if it will lock. Have a pattern ram thats getting flakey and takes about 30 minutes to warm up along with the oven. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran again
Fired up the SRS FS700 and auto found the GRI 89700 microsecond stations in Dana Il (master) and Seneca NY, (slave) both with equal signal strength of 63 db. Other slaves were not to be found. Noise margin of 32 dB and Rx gain of 72dB. So the Rx is all locked up. Tomorrow I will have more data comparing the 10 MHz from the T'Bolt. Right now they are comparing to within 10EE10. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 1/31/2013 10:44 PM, Stan, W1LE wrote: What GRI should we be listening for ? Stan, W1LECape Cod FN41sr On 1/31/2013 9:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Rich indeed its on the air. Warming up the FS700 to see if it will lock. Have a pattern ram thats getting flakey and takes about 30 minutes to warm up along with the oven. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
