Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-13 Thread Didier Juges
I buy a lot of stuff from eBay and Amazon, including batteries on occasion. Invariably, there has been a pretty good correlation between price and quality, but considerably more so with batteries. It really sucks paying $100 or more for a quality OEM laptop battery, but the alternative is to t

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-10 Thread Alan Melia
6:28 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller Once upon the time I designed some power-supplies, used parts from a sound name US company, they asked for $12.-- each --it was long time ego -- the equipment supposed to built in Asia, the manager -- I was one outside consultant --

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Like it or not, these days the volume purchases of IC’s are made in China. Volume buys have *always* been lower cost than normal distribution pricing. A > 10:1 ratio is not at all out of the question. If I bought 10,000,000 of a chip each month, I’d expect (and probably get) a very good dea

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-10 Thread Alexander Pummer
Once upon the time I designed some power-supplies, used parts from a sound name US company, they asked for $12.-- each --it was long time ego -- the equipment supposed to built in Asia, the manager -- I was one outside consultant -- told me that we can not use that expensive parts, my Chinese

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 10 October 2016 at 09:35, Charles Steinmetz wrote: > Poul-Henning wrote: > > And for voltage references, "pre-owned" is likely to mean "better". >> > > Perhaps, but third-world recyclers are not known for gentle treatment > during the parts removal process. I had some cheap ($10) GPS receive

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-10 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Poul-Henning wrote: And for voltage references, "pre-owned" is likely to mean "better". Perhaps, but third-world recyclers are not known for gentle treatment during the parts removal process. There have been lots of videos and descriptions on the web that are truly eye-opening. The process

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-10 Thread Clint Jay
I think those voltage reference ICs have been done to death over on EEVBlog and the general consensus is that they work very well, the only counterfeit part is the 'calibration' sheet that comes with them, they seem to be done on a photocopier. They also appear to exceed the accuracy specification

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)" writes: >When I looked on >eBay, the board was £2.25 delivered from China. The Analog Devices website >shows the chip having a budgetary price of $7 in quantities of 1000 or >more. So if the chips are $7 (£5-£6), how can they make a

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-09 Thread Chuck Harris
How do you know the product you "paid more money" for is not a counterfeit? The best you can do is to go to a source that you trust, for some reason, and exercise a right of return. For instance, I have found counterfeit capacitors in products from HP (in power supplies). They looked like Nichic

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-09 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 October 2016 at 02:13, Hal Murray wrote: > > They get counterfeited a *lot*. > > Is that true for relatively obscure things like the Prologix GPIB > controllers > that aren't high volume? > I would have thought the Prologix GPIB controllers no more obscure than the NI GBPIB-USB controllers,

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes indeed it is true of pretty much ever single GPIB adapter out there. The issue is that the innards are not terribly complex and the sell price on eBay is fairly high compared to the material content. Bob > On Oct 7, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > >> They get counterfeited a *lo

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread Scott Stobbe
An example which likely has similar volume to the Prologix is the saleae logic analyzer, google "saleae clone". On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > They get counterfeited a *lot*. > > Is that true for relatively obscure things like the Prologix GPIB > controllers > that aren't

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread Hal Murray
> They get counterfeited a *lot*. Is that true for relatively obscure things like the Prologix GPIB controllers that aren't high volume? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One thing to be *very* careful of on all of these adapters: They get counterfeited a *lot*. All bets are off when you get one that is not the “real deal”. Far better to source it from a trussed source for a bit more money than to take a risk on a dubious clone. Bob > On Oct 7, 2016, at 7:

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread David Gravereaux
On 10/07/2016 12:32 PM, George Dubovsky wrote: > I have a real NI GPIB-USB-HS if he'd be interested in that. Prolly cheaper > than a new Prologix. And supports real SRQ interrupts, too -- davyg...@pobox.com:~$ make war make: *** No rule to make target `war'. Stop. signature.asc Description:

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread Dave M
That's interesting... My memory chips must be experiencing bit failures lately. This isn't the first time it's happened over the past few weeks. I sit (more comfortable than standing) corrected. Thanks for the admonition. Dave M Bob Camp wrote: Hi That’s been my experience as well over the l

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That’s been my experience as well over the last few decades, based on using a variety of adapters. Bob > On Oct 7, 2016, at 5:36 PM, John Miles wrote: > >> thanks for the offer, Geo >> We've already found a new Prologix unit at much less than retail. I'm not >> familiar with the NI units

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread John Miles
> thanks for the offer, Geo > We've already found a new Prologix unit at much less than retail. I'm not > familiar with the NI units, and have seen postings that they are > tempermental with some instruments. I've mentioned before that NI adapters are the _least_ temperamental of all of them.

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread Dave M
thanks for the offer, Geo We've already found a new Prologix unit at much less than retail. I'm not familiar with the NI units, and have seen postings that they are tempermental with some instruments. I know the Prologix units work with the friend's equipment; that's why we specifically went

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix USB-GPIB Controller

2016-10-07 Thread George Dubovsky
I have a real NI GPIB-USB-HS if he'd be interested in that. Prolly cheaper than a new Prologix. geo On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Dave M wrote: > Does anyone happen to have a Prologix USB-GPIB Controller available for > sale? One of my friends needs one for his bench. He is retired and on a